Is it millions? You do know that over 50% of benefit claimants work as well right?
It may depend upon the persons age and what they have paid into the system over the years (in the uk). I have heard people say âitâs about time i got something backâ.
Benefit fraud tends to be aimed at those who claim disability benefits and get all the perks from that whilst actually being able bodied.
then you have the young people who arenât mature enough / mentally capable to go into work and as time goes by they are thrown on the scrap heap because they donât have a work history - society labels these people scroungers/ benefit cheats.
Young families used to struggle to get away from benefits because it paid more than being employed or at least they were better off. Universal credit system in the uk has helped with this but people in this situation are also labelled as benefit cheats.
I once worked with a guy that would claim any financial assistance he could - he was well paid and owned his own house and vehicle - but society being unaware of this kind of person or less aware frown upon them less. they have a better social standing whilst being as bad as the people claiming disability wihthout the need for it.
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From the DWP:
The number of people on Universal Credit who were not working or on low earnings and required to search for work as a condition of their claim (âsearching for workâ) has fallen by 560,000 to 1.7 million (29% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2022 from 2.2 million (38% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2021.
Over the same period, the number of people on Universal Credit whose circumstances mean they have no requirements to work (âno work requirementsâ) has risen by 360,000 to 1.5 million (26% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2022 from 1.1 million (19% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2021.
The number of people on Universal Credit who were working and earning enough not to have any work-related requirements as a condition of their claim (âworking â no requirementsâ) has fallen to 1.2 million (21% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2022, compared to 1.3 million (22% of all people on Universal Credit) in January 2021.
Thanks for posting the figures.
What defines a person as having no requirements to work, second category above?
The 3rd category is also interesting. Who decides that despite working they have enough?
Iâm surprised thatâs fallen in the face of whatâs happening.
Edit 2021 figures.
Illness(or disabilities can be classified as no requirements ) or having a newborn child will knock the working requirements off for a certain time for new mothers.
Normally the determining of âwho has enoughâ is dictated by earnings, what a lot of people donât realise is that dwp now has real time earnings linked to the tax office, so any earnings are available to staff to see, even if claimant states they have not been working or try to report earning less than theyâve been paid
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new fathers too. my missus went back to work when we had our first child. i brought her up until she was school age.
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Oh thatâs actually a good improvement to the system 
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If you are classed as LCWRA you donât have a benefit cap.
If you are working and in receipt of universal credit you used to take wage slips to the job centre to declare your earnings. that has now changed - as you have pointed out they now have more access to what you earn!
whilst this helps to prevent fraudsters⌠it also makes things easier for the honest person who doesnât have to report everything in the hope of getting what they are âentitledâ to
To me it screams âweâll have loads of categories to make the totals look lowerâ
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they love to get the figures down.
take unemployment - when they used to send an unemployed person on a training course, 6 month job club session or voluntary work. They would move these people onto a different benefit away from JSA which then lowered the unemployment figures.
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No, it screams trying to shoehorn everyone into boxes rather than looking at actual needs.
The disabled have been hit pretty hard by this government.
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Qualification for PIP is a joke. It is just a questionnaire with multiple choice answers and if yyour answer doesnât fall into one of those answers you get 0 points for that part of the âtestâ.
I canât read the text on things to follow cooking instructions for example⌠without it being magnified to absurd levels⌠but i donât qualify for daily living allowance⌠but because i canât travel alone because i canât read/see the bus timetables and number or train timetables⌠i get the mobility part 
you have to tell them what your worst day is like rather than being totally upfront. which stinks because on the day you take this test you might be feeling great but 3 days prior to that you have been struggling.
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Believe me, I know.
@Klopptimist what this thread needs is honesty. I donât feel people will be comfortable with that kind of honesty though.
it needs to people to say how the cost of living crisis is affecting them rather than it become a bickering thread about just government and politics.
Maybe some will have similar issues and find better friendship and understanding.
I have experience of a lot of things people talk about in here - like i posted above about the voucher scheme you were talking about and how it can be manipulated and not just by the claimant.
it needs less âi am right you are wrongâ attitudes. just my opinion.
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Kind of understand what you mean, but also to many the disabled have also benefitted the most, and the sad part is so has the banks as it was designed to.
1in 3 new cars are PIP cars, and the idea of mobility cars was actually lobbied for by the banks because itâs a licence for them to make money effectively from the taxpayer, and also those who end up with the pip cars
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@odin_telamon the good thing about mobility cars are they help people that would in a lot of cases be unable to afford a vehicle - they 'd likely be refused finance for a car. If your eligibility for it cease then the car is returned.
you donât get your mobility part of PIP if you hae a vehicle iirc.
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Based on what evidence. I honestly donât know but have seen people bust a gut and still struggle. Iâve also seen people with disabilities,single mothers that work. Iâve also seen people without a days work in their bones but qualify as carers. But I darenâl say that was the full spectrum of people needing benefits.
What is clear though,this year these people will really struggle. In many cases I donât see that as right.
Do you have the data for this? It would be interesting to peruse thatâŚ
I donât sadly was something we were presented with in work when I was dealing with pip claims a few years ago.
The person who took the training stated as a matter of fact sort of things that the banks created the mobility scheme, to generate income was quite surreal thinking at the time that we allow such power to the banks to create a scheme that makes money off the tax payers/vulnerable in society.