That may take a long time,Blair and Bush would be way ahead in the line.
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They could, but the US simply doesn’t recognize compulsory jurisdiction with The Hague, and doesn’t attempt to apply it to other countries. The Interpol system relationship is more complex, and the US is a heavy user.
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Isn’t there a red note issued by Interpol for Anne Sacoolas that the US is effectively ignoring?
I believe so, yes.
Does every country have this Presidential/Royal Pardon thing???
It’s a total mockery of the judicial system. Our previous President pardoned dozens of ruling party thugs convicted of rape, murder etc. The present one is expected to do the same when his tenure nears the end.
I think the president can request (not recommend) lessening of the conviction or recommend a judicial review if someone feels he/she didn’t receive a fair trial.
What’s the use of having a judicial ‘system’ if the president can overrule it’s verdict???
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I certainly won’t be holding my breath, but I suspect they won’t be risking travel outside the US ever again. After the Meng Wanzhou fiasco, I can think of a couple of people at Canada’s Department of Justice that would be delighted to hold extradition hearings if it came to it.
I don’t think he was a diplomat,wasn’t he a CIA knob?
The interesting thing about Trump’s pardons is he is way down on the number he has given compared to most, and certainly compared to Obama who spent the last months of his second terms issuing waves of pardons to non-violent drug offenders in an effort to push criminal sentencing reform. The issue with Trump’s though is that they are really problematic in terms of what they signal to people who could implicate him in crimes, or even being a direct act of quid quo pro.
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Yeah, she was former CIA and the husband current, but they got her away under the guise of “diplomatic immunity”. From what I read it is unclear whether that was because they were using employment with the state department as cover for the husband, or due to a supposedly controversial reading of who is covered by those protections within the the RAF facility he was supposedly working out of. Regardless, her exit appeared to be coordinated with our own home office and so I don’t doubt that the confusion over why it was claimed she had a right to these protections is a purposeful attempt to cloud the situation enough for her to be sheparded away.
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I thought he was,thanks.
I wonder if they will spend Christmas thinking of his family and how they miss him,probably not 
Loads of American diplomats are in fact CIA knobs, the question is whether or not they are accredited by the host country as diplomats.
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But but but the Americans have no need to spy on us we are “Special Allies”.
Can’t believe that a Welshman can’t spell shepherd 
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They are not spying on you, they are spying with you.
Obviously.
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My take on Barr leaving now is multi faceted. Christmas with the family, personal, lovely. Also he fell out with Trump after giving a statement that there wasn’t significant election fraud. Trump publicly mulled over sacking him from that point on, but was advised not to. He further fell out with Trump over refusing to appoint spurious special counsel e.g. to go after Hunter Biden over alleged tax matters. Whoop-de-do, if in fact proven. It should be prosecuted, if true… but come on!
So Trump and Barr were parting anyway, for all those reasons above, and more.
What is an unknown is the extent of the coup attempt. For a while it has appeared as though Trump is putting chess pieces in place to make a few drastic moves. Maybe Barr understands this and wants no part of it.
Or maybe Barr wants to help Trump, or at least not stand in his way, by resigning now. It gives a month for Trump to do his worst.
It’s going to be a fascinating month, although that’s not the right word.
I am not going to ruin Christmas with a lengthy heated argument with you , despite your loathsome lack of respect your pathological inability to accept that I sometimes know what I am talking about (when I am wrong, I do back down and I always try to apologice if I say something that I suspect is incorrect and have done so on this and the previous forum, many times in the past) when it comes to politics and political ideology, but fair to say that you have truly pissed me off with you insulting labels of naivety and your own supposed greater understanding of basically everything under the sky. To label someone who follows Geopolitics as intimately as I do, studies wars as much as I do, naive, is 100% unacceptable lack of basic respect for my intellect and ability to reason. It is categorically an insult to my intelligence and it pisses me off to a high degree, since I am hardly an idiot. Little the neo-cons say takes me by “suprise”. I am not fucking naive.
But I want you to understand one thing, so you perhaps will understand why I am certain that you misunderstood, and later were wrong. I have a serious interest in political ideologies, I have since before the 2016 election, found those Republican ideologues that did not fall into line with Trump very fascinating. So I have followed them intimately for more than 4 years. While Kristol is not the one I follow the closest, that would be Thom Nichols and Rick Wilson, I do and have read, his prolific twitter almost every single week for more than 4 years. I know his style, I know his rhetoric (he has a very tedious writing style to say the least), and I recognice his opinions, since it is fascinating to me to understand their ideology and philosophical ethics, as I have an interest in understanding US conservatism that isn’t part of Trumpism. And when I say that he didn’t mean to rehabilitate Barr, it is the truth, whatever else you may think of him, as he has repeatedly stated that Barr is the most dangerous of all Trump’s enablers since he is competent and ruthless. What he said was simply that he feared Jeffrey Rosen even more, since he is reported to be even more enthusiastic in carrying water for Trump, as Barr has reportedly pushed a bit back since Biden got elected. And that was it. If I later turn out to be wrong, which I view to be highly unlikely, I promise to give you the credit you would then deserve for your higher understanding of what Kristol “really is saying between the lines”. Not that it will happen since the entire point was just that even Barr is said to be uncomfortable with the pardons that Trump is about to unleash, and that he Kristol is worried, maybe even afraid, that Rosen will be willing to do something even worse than what Barr has been enabling all of this time. If Kristol is right or wrong I cannot say, but based on previous tweets and reading tons of them, it is indeed his probably actual opinion, no matter his past.
I accept that the chance that you will take anything I say onboard to be very slim, I understood that on TIA, that you have a pathological inability to back down over basically anything no matter what it is and that you never admit being wrong and that you never ever apologice (I remember you thought me pathetic for demanding an apology when you acted like a total asshole, which is some what ironic since in my culture, people who never apologice are viewed to be exactly that, pathetic ). So I expect nothing positive and understanding, no respect, in a response from you. Likely you’ll ignore what I wrote or post some stupid GIF before ignoring me from now on.
But yeah, thanks for ruining my evening. Was fun walking off the plane checking TAN and reading that fucking disrespectful pathological “come back” message after having treated you with nothing but respect, while being previously accused and insulted of being too naive to understand what Kristol really means (and if you want to press my red buttons, that is the bloody correct one to press, since like you, I do have some pride, although unlike you, I do admit it when I am in error).
Merry Christmas to you too…
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Re- that presidential pardon thing: I’ve never seen this tradition used in such a cynical, horrible way by any previous president. The message is horrible, the implications are horrible, everything about it stinks to high heaven.
That’s Trump showing his true hand there. Despicable.
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When we are too definitive in exchanging our views it can start to become adversarial, like this has. It could have easily been avoided with softer language and more humility. “It seems to me…” “My take is…” and even being gracious to one another, “You make a good point about this…”
Both Magnus and Limiescouse took on a professor/student sort of relationship with the other, though clearly neither one sees themselves as the student in the exchange above!
It’s a shame, as both are well read, well educated, and decent to read in threads like this. Good reds and good men too.
We can, and should, stand our ground and give our viewpoint. It makes for a more interesting forum. But when the requisite respect is missing, and there’s not enough humility, it makes for a shit show.
Merry Christmas. Yer filthy animal.
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Soft arse.
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