Ding Dong.....the US Politics Thread (Part 1)

Trump or Trumpism! Which one should be tackled now!

Trump is a despicable person; but he isn’t the cause, he is the result. He stirred and manipulated some longstanding malice the USA have. Even if you swiftly and successfully remove him those malice will remain and someone will use them again.

Besides, USA isn’t DPRK or China or Saudi Arabia or Turkey. You just can’t throw someone in jail overnight. The trial will be long and tedious and will potentially make a martyr out of Trump. He has played The Victim card successfully before.

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I’m imagining a scene like this will be playing out… :rofl:

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Right on cue.

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Probably need to tackle both. Trump is a crook regardless of what he does politically.

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Impeached and thrown in jail would be great but I fear it will only inflame his support.

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Who will get inflamed either way.

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Yeah. I just see that addressing that is probably as important as removing Trump and stopping any thoughts he has of staying in the game.

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Great!

This article answers all of my questions re the timing.

Trump can still be impeached as an ex-president.

History gives little guide on the question of whether a president can be impeached once he leaves office, and House lawyers were racing to understand the legal and constitutional issues.

There is precedent for doing so in the case of other high government officers. In 1876, the House impeached President Ulysses S. Grant’s war secretary for graft, even after he resigned from his post. The Senate at the time considered whether it still had jurisdiction to hear the case of a former official, and determined that it did. Ultimately, the secretary was acquitted.

Michael J. Gerhardt, a constitutional scholar at the University of North Carolina who testified in the last impeachment proceedings, wrote on Friday that he saw no reason Congress could not proceed.

“It would make no sense for former officials, or ones who step down just in time, to escape that remedial mechanism,” he wrote. “It should accordingly go without saying that if an impeachment begins when an individual is in office, the process may surely continue after they resign or otherwise depart.”

Importantly, only a simple majority is required to disqualify him from future office, which the Dems will have at about 12.01pm on 20 January.

As I said the other night, impeach the cunt.

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Re: Trump giving the order to launch nukes, what process needs to play out from him initiating that instruction? How long does it take?

Wouldn’t the fact of him giving such an instruction when the US wasn’t being threatened with a, so far, unprecedented degree of aggression, evidence that he was not fit for office?

Presumably the removal from office due to him being unfit (because he gave an order to launch nukes) is a longer process than the time it ought to take from the President giving the order to launch and the nukes actually being launched?

Are we then dependent on those in receipt of the order to launch disobeying?

Isn’t this the plot from Crimson Tide or Dr Strangelove or something?

Also whether it’s lawful or not to issue an order to launch nukes when not facing an equivalent act of aggression is probably irrelevant. It assumes Trump wouldn’t do something unlawful (if indeed it was).

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Can’t someone just give him a jab of some tranquilizer???

They’ve been doping his McDonald’s since 2016.

Think how much worse/better he would have been otherwise.

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Yes, but would he in that case promote his daughter to lead that challenge?

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Very likely indeed.

Like herpes, they are going to be around for a while. My main concern if she gets in would be Kushner, the walking talking personification of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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Somehow I don’t think Russia are interested in that. There is Isreal they might sneak something in whatever he drinks.

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Ive read that Biden has had and still has serious health issues and just wondered what happens if he cannot complete his term? Is there a re-election, or does another Democrat stand in?

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What happened when Kennedy was assassinated? Did LBJ complete his term?

[Edit. He did, serving the remaining year and a bit, then was elected again in 1965]

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Kamala Harris steps in I think as the VP takes over when the President is unable to act.

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Yep, thats it. So if Joe cannot complete his term its Kamala Harris then.

I’ve watched him speak three times this week…I think Biden is still quite sharp cognitively, it is just the mannerisms and speech patterns that have slowed.

He was getting asked very specific questions yesterday re vaccine roll-outs and what not, and he had the answers there right away. It’s just the verbal execution that occasionally lacks.

Speaking of a lack of verbal execution…

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I agree, its just i heard he had been laid off ill for a long time earlier in recent years, and I think I heard a suggestion of dementia? Surely that cant be right.

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