Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

This is an extremely unconvincing paragraph, mind you, and rather offensive. The rest of what you wrote is very fine. This was not.

Why? Look into the engineering of Teslas yourself. Don’t rely on my words if you don’t think it’s true. Their quality control issues are well-known, and haven’t been fixed in well over a decade of existence.

I have only recently discovered myself how far ahead Chinese EV manufacturers are compared to European and American manufacturers. And Tesla isn’t even class-leading in the latter category.

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We are all paying to have Siri and Alexa spy on us and listen to out conversations 24/7. My personal info has probably been stolen from my bank, credit bureaus, and other online accounts a dozen times in the last five years. What difference does another leak make?

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The Cybertruck is spectacularly unimpressive. Apart from the quality control problems, structurally the entire shell just pops off - there is absolutely no strength to it.

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Never seen a Cybertruck in real life. I was starting to wonder if they’re even real.

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Not road legal in Germany I believe:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/you-can-now-buy-a-tesla-cybertruck-in-germany-but-there-s-a-catch-228940.html

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Why ? You claim my personal friends worship Musk ? That is insulting. I am not close to anyone techie-worshipper of Musk and it’s a rather unecessary provocative (and I think stupid) assumption that I do.

As for the quality, I cannot comment. I don’t know enough to comment, so listen to those who have electric cars and experience with them instead of inventing my own opinion based on my own feelings. I know several people that have had several cars, some of them have Teslas or other EVs now and are fairly happy with them (there are the obvious issues with electric cars, such as charging and how far it can go etc.) and at least one of them knows a lot about cars (he refurbishes veteran cars as well but use a small EV for short driving).
Quality +affordability + convenience = greatest factor when people who are not very wealthy, buy a car.

My only experience of a Tesla was walking around in Hawaii and a Tesla dealership offered us a free test drive. Since we were only passing through for a few days to get to our deployment and didn’t have a rental car we decided it was a good way to see some of the island quickly.

I will say it was fast as fuck, the moment you touch the accelerator the thing launches like shit off a shovel but on the downside the rear seat heaters were stuck on no matter what you did so the thing felt like a sauna which isn’t what I was hoping for in 90° Hawaii weather! :joy:

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Why is that insulting? I don’t think it’s too controversial to state that in the universe of electric vehicle nerds, a majority of them would have been worshipping Musk at some point or another. Look at how many of his announcements/goals for Tesla have been aligned with what would appeal to that demographic: Ludicrous mode, Plaid, self-driving, robotaxis, flying cars.

It’s literally the largely male sci-fi audience.

If they still believe so strongly in Tesla after the last few years (politics aside) of Tesla production issues, quality issues, shitty software, zero development, cheaping out on things like the aforementioned signal stalk, then there’s not much rationality there in terms of what makes a good electric vehicle. And I say this as someone who is related to a person who loves his Model X, and waxes lyrical about it often despite my repeating his words about the foibles of his car back to him.

Teslas are not affordable relative to the other cars out there on the market. They are not high in quality either. Branding matters, otherwise Mercedes-Benz would not get away with half the cars they have put out since the 2000s.

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I’m not entirely sure who they are aimed at. It rather reminds me of those Hummer things that seemed to be popular with people who wanted to pretend to be soldiers at the weekend. Ironically, any actual servicemen I have heard from using the real Humvees absolutely despised the things.

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I’ve driven a Peugeot e208 and was breaking the speed limit before I knew it. I’d say it’s generally an electric car thing. Oodles of torque due to the nature of electric motors. With internal combustion, you have to rev the engine before you can get to torque being developed, but with electric motors, it’s instantaneous.

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Luckily we don’t talk about Left/Right wing bullshit anymore, when guys talk about cars it’s much more exciting. :roll_eyes:

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It’s a football forum, it could be worse tbf. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Strangely the car talk escalated much quicker than any other topics in here.

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There are a couple in my vicinity, and I drive by a Tesla dealership every day. Notable that for months they had no inventory, and now they have two sitting there. The two people I know who own one are somewhat toxic personalities, and even one of them is now embarrassed to own one. Other models it is possible to say you had no idea whom you were buying from, but not the Cybertruck.

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Drove by one the other day. They’re ugly as sin.

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I was shocked at how crappy they looked the first time I saw one in person. I’d seen the designs and wasn’t a huge fan, but the real thing looked like a badly finished high school shop attempt to reproduce a 1980s DeLorean.

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A fair few years ago, when I was visiting family in Long Island, New York, we went to a dinner party on Friday night. One of the guests had just brought over his practically brand-new Tesla. Can’t remember which model but it had the gull wing doors . The problem was, when they taken out some of the gifts from the trunk, the rear hatch wouldn’t close. There is no manual override, or there wasn’t one in that particular model. We poured through the manual, looked up solutions on the web, but without Tesla’s intervention they weren’t able to fix it so they literally had to drive back that Tesla slowly with a plastic cover on the back.

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This might be rather effective.

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