Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

If you read the MAGA comments on the internet, there is still a lot of support for Trump actions and what he is doing with Ukraine. There is applause everywhere that he is withdrawing the support/money, because they all still think that they will be better off if they no longer support Ukraine, or USAID or whatever.

These people have no compassion or understanding for anything. It´s a cult.

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Because the overwhelming majority of people who voted for him, who abstained, or voted third party was too uninformed to understand what was actually happening. And not just about Trump, but about government itself.

This election was the US equivalent of voting for Brexit because you didn’t want anymore Syrian immigrants

Edit: I mean look at the various conversations on here for an example of how the average person here thinks about the debate. It’s enraging but it’s the reality. It’s going to take some personally felt consequences for a lot of people to start questioning what they’ve done and even then a lot of them will blame for the Dems

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I have to pinch my own arm:
https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1892424768088932811
https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1892425444730761596

https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1892517480834240767

https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1892516239924154622

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Trump is behaving like an insulted 5-year-old child who is not getting his way because Ukraine rejected this deal.

I mean, honestly, if you support a country that is being attacked, shouldn’t the attacker be made to pay? Why should Ukraine pay for protection at all??? They gave up their nuclear weapons for supposed peace and now they want to punish them twice instead of supporting them in their reconstruction?

That’s too much for me

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He’s a mobster. That’s his whole mentality. A family of real estate shark. These people feast on misery and misfortune of others.

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The U.S. had previously co-sponsored every Resolution by the U.N. against the Illegal Russian Invasion and in support of Ukraine.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1892566866561794197
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1892566824358650214
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1892429309027012664
And some protests again

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1892440670385905992

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And another bit of “Gleichschaltung” again

https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1892416599858032823

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That’s a recurring problem with the two party system.

Fwiw , more people voted against Kamala and the democrats (either by voting for Trump or voting for the others or by not turning up to vote at all ).

People not voting, well they are part of the problem if not the major problem. They didn’t need to like every bit of what the democrats were saying. If you think trump is going to be a clusterfuck , grow up and vote in someone else.

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And fuck you USA , you made Modi and his cohort ( and I hate those fuckers) look like rational , sensible and intelligent human beings.

Just fuck you.

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Don’t worry, we love our reasonable US residents here. No danger of that. :kissing_heart:

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I quite like @toro too.

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Let’s wait and see how this maga people react when it affects them personally, but they still think it’s only about illegal people who are being cut off

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1892270041590120609

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Medicaid in particular has to be gutted. Difficult to see how it can fit into that House spending resolution without something like a 50% cut.

They have already dramatically cut the VA

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It’s probably worse than that: one third is happy with the change, that’s why they voted for Trump. Another third is completely indifferent because it doesn’t impact their everyday’s life. These are probably the people who didn’t vote.

The last third might in part be concerned or even afraid, but are passive because Trump won the elections. They are hoping that they’ll be able to reverse the situation in four years.

But there is no guarantee that there will be fair elections in four years, that’s the problem. Their current passivity might come back to haunt them. Sanders is right, one third of the population, if determined, could create a huge wave of protest, so that even Trump and his cronies would have to listen. But these people don’t realise their might, and prefer to stay within the boundaries of their usual lives, hoping that they won’t be impacted too negatively by it all.

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I admire the way how Sanders fights his uphill battle, and still tries to educate his dramatically uneducated compatriots. He’s a good man.

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To me, and Trump being 78yrs of age already… this term of presidency will be no more than a supermarket trolley dash of amassing as much personal/family wealth as possible…
Unless he has ideas for a Trump monarchy, he really won’t give a shit how corrupt, or fucked up he leaves his country, or the world for that matter…!
It seems important to him, that he becomes the most famous person to have ever lived… even if that means topping the poll of one that contains Hitler, Stalin… his pal Putin, and many other shit stain memories that have gone before…
This guy is a danger to every future generation that might, and those that might not be given a chance to come along

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https://x.com/shashj/status/1892574986725982226

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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1892586707716882786

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I´ve never seen something like this…
https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1892264096298344922

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I would gladly vote for Pete Buttigieg if the opportunity arose.

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I’ve also referenced Brexit to try to help make sense of it all. As a proud Brit (dual citizen who has lived in America for 16 years now) I couldn’t believe what my fellow countrymen did with the Brexit vote.

One of the ways people tried to make sense of how it was allowed to happen was to look at the misinformation that was being peddled.

From memory (and overseas!) people were being told the NHS would be way better funded, that countries would be lining up to do trade deals with the UK to make us more prosperous, and that generally we would be a more free country by going it alone, and shaking off the added bureaucracy of Europe. Who doesn’t want a better NHS? Who doesn’t want more prosperity and freedom? Sign me up!

But it was all lies.

That was the UK in 2016. Yes, I know that lots of fully informed people wanted Brexit, as was their right; but I also feel that many millions voted for Brexit under a cloud of misinformation, and it would never have happened otherwise.

Fast forward to 2024 in America…

The misinformation system that led to a dodgy decision in the UK in 2016 is now massively more magnified here.

I’m thinking about the orchestrated and years-long Russian interference to steer things in a direction Putin likes. Politicians bought and paid for. Bots and all the rest of it. I’m thinking about a $44 Billion Twitter megaphone being turned to the extreme right. I’m thinking about other forms of social media being overrun with little to no fact checking. I’m thinking about major news outlets peddling incessant lies. I’m thinking about years of gerrymandering and disenfranchisement of huge swathes of the public from the political process. I’m thinking about a rogue leader who is utterly dominating supposed coequal branches of government.

Yes, people should have been better informed, but the sort of dumbing down that has happened over a couple of generations or more is also rampant elsewhere, and it helped to spawn Brexit.

The political process needs goodwill in order to function, along with respect for well established rules and norms. There’s none of that under Trump.

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Anthony Scaramucci (a Wall Street guy who worked briefly for the last Trump administration, and is now someone who speaks out against Trump) estimates that by the end of his term in office, Trump will be worth half a TRILLION dollars.

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