Drill Baby Drill...the US Politics Thread (Part 2)

This analysis is bullshit because encounters with people legally seeking asylum, the people for whom RIM applied, aren’t illegal crossings. This whole thing is an example of people not knowing what they are talking about and confusing multiple related but different concepts.

Contrary to this criticism, RIM was shown to actually contribute to illegal crossings. When the asylum process is hindered as it was with that program people take matters into their own hands https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/RMX-factsheet-01.2025.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Remain in Mexico was a bad program that didn’t meet its own stated objectives. This defines the broader criticism of Trump’s approach to immigration. It is effective only from the perspective of being allowed to shout loudly about doing something that allows people who don’t care to know facts feel happy.

They took the problem seriously from day one. Far more so than Trump ever did. They just did it in a way that was focused on objective results rather than cheap soundbytes and were met with a press who largely didnt care about pesky things like facts. The CBP One app is a great example of this. It did not allow for more asylum seekers as is the common criticism (they just need to download an app to be allowed to come in). It simply organized their applications, as the law is required the administration accepts, to be made in a way that took pressure off the border and freed up resources of CPB to do more of their job of enforcement. Getting rid of the app as Trump did actively makes things worse for CBP.

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https://x.com/perfectrose2011/status/1894139057162096833

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For those who dont know, Idaho and this town in particular has long been the spiritual home of American extremism that has now been rolled into the MAGA movement

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Why on earth would they want that? It would be self-defeating, would it not?

If they are already shutting down large elements of functionality in the Federal Government, having Congress share responsibility is potentially useful?

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Yes, the more feckless the article 1 branch of government looks the more of an argument they have for the article 2 branch taking the reins and doing what they want

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US consumer confidence is in freefall, not quite the magnitudes associated with the pandemic or the 2007 financial crisis, but some of the leading indicators in the Michigan data suggest March could be similar.

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According to Goldman Sachs, 57% of the people crossing the border under Biden did so illegally. They weren’t asylum seekers. Sorry, no link. But that’s what came across my desk six months ago.

Also, more than half did not come from the Western Hemisphere. They paid their way to fly to the Western Hemisphere and then paid the cartels to smuggle them into America, who paid off the government officials to turn a blind eye to the human trafficking.

Next of all, a good chunk of those seeking asylum are not true asylum seekers. They’re economic refugees claiming asylum knowing that it will take years before their cases are heard and hoping the political winds will shift in their favour.

Finally, people are sick of mass unvetted migration. Talking down to people that “Well, you just don’t understand migratory patterns” instead of dealing with the issue just pisses the people off you claim to be speaking for. And calling people who oppose this “racist bigots” is a big reason why Trump is President. Nobody outside of the over-educated left gives a shit about it anymore.

The idea that Biden and the Democratic legislators are eunuchs who just can’t do anything about “migratory patterns” is incredible incompetence and a big reason why they lost.

But hey, keep telling all those people they’re stupid and just don’t understand how the world really works. That’s working really well for you!

https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1894425072237981811

This did amuse me.

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My first thought on hearing Idaho is always that scene in Richard Pryor’s movie ‘Moving’, when his family hear they are moving to Boisie :rofl:

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Beautiful place. It’s booming

This feeds exactly into the point I made yesterday. You can have the greatest policies but if people dont feel the benefits from it you’re stuffed.

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You must mean Boise, surely? Coeur d’Alene is indeed beautiful, but I am not aware of it growing the way Boise has been.

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Cool. It doesn’t matter in the context of the conversation though. Even if their case is bullshit there is still a legal requirement for the administration to hear the case. If the application doesnt meet the requirements then it will be denied. Accepting and running through the applications as required by law is not unvetted immigration.

Our asylum law is simply not built for what we’ve experienced over the past 10 years or so not in terms of dealing the numbers of people subjected to it nor the ease with which it can be gamed. But there are laws that govern how an administration must manage these people, and laws that courts have given little room for flexibility over (outside of Public Safety Emergency measures brought in because of a pandemic). If someone wanted to address the abuse of this system they would punish Trump because of his bungled management of the system in his first term and his tanking of the legislative fixes in the last term.

Cool but I dont really give a shit if people feel talked down to when that conversation is only happening because they belligerently insist on being wrong. Like even now, I am not saying something as nuanced as you “dont understand migratory patterns”. I am saying you are continuing to demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of the immigration situation and you are drawing incorrect conclusions conclusions about what has been happening and why as a result of that.

You continue to confuse me with a politician trying to win an election. I am not, I am just guy on the internet telling you, as an individual, that you have no idea what you are talking about and that lots of people thinking a dumb thing doesnt make the dumb thing right.

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I have a friend there. A now elderly man I met on a political forum 20 years ago. we became good friends. He has shown me very many beautiful pictures from the landscape there. It is a pretty place. But unfortunately, in the politically braindead zone.

My friend Mark is quite distraught. He was educated at the Sorbonne in the 70s so has a different and rather broader perspective than his neighbours. He lost friends in 2016 and in 2020 due to his principles and his wife recently died. A good man, but it must be lonely for him. I should write him…

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While you are debating unimportant culture war related issues, actual important events are happening:

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No. They have been told it’s a problem but its the same playbook by every RW party the world over.

And I’m willing to bet that they’ll shout how they’ll sort immigration but do fuck all. Why? Because if they did the economy would tank. They’re already taking that risk by slashing government spending.

Again the Dems may have been working on it but it doesnt matter if people don’t believe it.

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It cannot be stressed enough, but Trump’s immigration enforcement approach failed according even to its own objectives. If you agree with him ideologically you should still be highly criticial of him for his lack of competency in doing what he said he wanted to do.

They put such effort into rapid removal they lost focus on the dangerous criminals that had previously been the focus of ICE enforcement. Even worse their attempts to expedite the removals meant they lost the ability to track who was being removed. That in turn removed the legal peril for these people to just keep trying over and over again, meaning incredible resources was being put into chasing the same group of people who kept getting caught and thrown out.

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Trump firing a black man appointed in October 2023 for ‘doing a bad job’ as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, with the main evidence trotted out being the Pentagon having failed 7 audits in a row.

The first audit Brown is responsible for is the audit of the 2024 year. That audit showed material improvement on the previous 6. Both of his predecessors covering the entire period subject to those audits were Trump appointees, neither were fired.

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