That’s a fair point, and I completely understand where you’re coming from.
I didn’t join with the intention of turning a Liverpool forum into a political debate or derailing the discussion. I’ve been reading the forum for a while (non-member) and only posted because the topic had already come up and I thought I’d add a perspective respectfully.
If people feel that political discussion isn’t really what this space is for, I’m happy to leave it there.
No bad faith intended, just conversation.
From what I understand, the second assault wasn’t really about nukes anymore. The Feb 28 strike hit nuclear facilities, but Iran still had a lot of military and missile infrastructure that posed immediate threats, especially around the Strait of Hormuz and key naval sites.
Basically, the first strike was about slowing down nuclear capabilities, and the second was about responding to Iranian retaliation and preventing further attacks on shipping, allies, and military targets. Saying the program was “obliterated” is probably more political messaging than a literal military guarantee, there’s still a risk that anything left could be rebuilt, and the U.S. wanted to make sure Iran couldn’t continue threatening the region while tensions were high.
It’s messy, but in conflicts like this, one strike almost never ends everything. It’s usually a series of moves and counter-moves.
I’ve had enough @anon8517609 is an AI bot. Noone writes like that, ever 
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Fuck off Israel .
okay?
Quite surprised it took this long for an alphabet agency agent to turn up to this forum, which are you ? Usual cia or is there No Such Agency?
The second assault is what is generally being considered the war. That is the thing that was justified by you by saying they cannot be allowed to have nukes. Yet now we say this was not actually about the nukes.
When you dont have an actual argument it is difficult to keep the argument straight in one post to the next
I immediately thought Lynchy was up to some shenanigans, but the grammar and syntax are too polished.
i thought Toro was back but nothing about Democrats yet
Or telling us of that multi billion deal he threatened to pull if the client supported or represent hicks and gillette…think he used to say all that before he ever said hello😂
Welcome @anon8517609
I hope I’m talking to a person, and if so, you are entitled to your views.
If this is about stopping Iran from getting the bomb then I look forward to America taking control of the highly enriched uranium that is unaccounted for, and is supposedly enough to make 11 nuclear bombs.
The last bombing campaign was supposed to do that. Victory was declared, and here we are again.
The Trump administration has not given a clear reason for their attack on Iran. Trump harps on about defeating their navy and Air Force, stuff like that, as though those things are laudable. Hegseth talks about taking out their ability to send bombs and drones. There has also been talk of regime change that would bring freedom to the Iranian people. Didn’t happen. In fact Trump encouraged them to go out on the streets to protest and he would protect them. Tens of thousands were killed as Trump did no such thing.
Trump doesn’t have an idea in his head, as far as I can see. He likes action, and gestures, and wants to look strong and decisive, but he has no great vision of what he wants to do, much less how he will get there. He’s a free wheeler, making it up on the fly as he goes. Hence many potential allies want no part of helping him in Iran. It’s a shitshow.
When the dust settles from this will Trump have made the world a safer place?
No way! Many millions of secular Iranians, who just want what we all want - a chance to build a life in the context of peace and stability - will now hate America for what it is doing to them. America is a bludgeon, punishing the people indiscriminately, not just the mullahs and their armed forces. So I fully expect most of Iran to hate America after this, not just the oppressive religious segment. That will be a lot more dangerous, for generations to come.
And about that uranium. Let’s see where it rocks up in the months and years to come.
No you said the reason for attacking was over their Nuclear capability stand by your point but don’t change it, sounding like the real Trump, flip flopping tripe
Can’t believe you guys are actually debating this, uh, entity.
I get that from the outside it looks messy, but here’s the point I’m defending: the initial justification*for the first strike was about preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons. That’s not just a talking point it’s a serious strategic concern. Even if later actions expanded into attacks on naval sites or other military infrastructure, the starting point was stopping a program that could have created a nuclear-armed Iran, which supporters argue would be a much bigger threat to the U.S., Israel, and the Gulf states.
Yes, Trump’s style is chaotic, and the execution has been messy. Yes, there are civilian risks and long-term resentment. But from a reasoning standpoint, the logic of acting preemptively to stop a nuclear program still stands, even if the follow-up operations make the argument look inconsistent.
I’m not saying everything he’s done is perfect, or that there won’t be consequences. I’m defending the reasoning behind the initial action, the concern over nuclear weapons, which is a real and widely recognised threat. Everything else that’s happened since is messy execution, not a failure of the underlying reasoning.
If the goal is stopping Iran from getting the bomb, then that goal was being achieved, in an ongoing way, with inspections and limits on enrichment and so on.
Trump came in and reneged on the agreement.
Since then, he is not doing better than what came before, because now we don’t know where the uranium is, there is no scrutiny, and the Iranians have been massively emboldened in their own conviction that they need to get a bomb ASAP because even when they cooperated, they got smacked hard by the unreliable Americans under Trump.
In short, he has made the situation much worse. And that is just limiting the observation to the likelihood of Iran getting the bomb, to say nothing of what he has done to the region, and the global economy, and strengthening China as the only remaining global superpower who is reliable.
Can’t argue with that!
The user name is a huge red flag. The rest is just time wasting.
Agree,if you want to get bites, good way to go!
It was very clearly arguments generated by GenAI. I am on the fence on whether it was 100% bot or an intern for Mosad making his way around the internet to provide people “thoughtful” counter arguments for why Trump is right.
Plenty of time to waste today
Every day. Retirement is cool like that, but not going to waste it on Trumpbots.