Former players and managers - general discussion

If I remember correctly, he truggled with injuries in his first season, then got reduced to a bit part player filling in for others getting injured or suspended

the secret behind Fergie’s Success at Man Utd has finally been found

Bobs obviously giving Fergie a few tips,

why did you do it Bob?

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https://x.com/The_Forty_Four/status/1992621945100423272

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I’ve always liked Thommo… Kirkby lad through and through

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I know it probably doesn’t add up and I am 42 the memory is going however I am pretty sure if Houllier had taken the season off after his heart attack then Phil would have taken us to the title.

I don’t think poor Gerard was ever the same after that.

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With that beautiful summer of 2002 and the transfers we’ve made, I don’t think anyone would’ve won the title with that.

:joy:

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Thommo is a football man through and through… whether he had the temperament in his younger days to think things through regarding tactics or players before blowing his top and losing the plot completely, is something we will never know.
He was that ordinary fan, like me and you, that went on to play for his beloved club… and to this day, that love of LFC remains, as it oozes out of every pore of his body, and every word that comes out of his mouth.

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Jimmy Case really was a thug at times…

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Before last nights Everton game all the ex manure players now pundits piled in on Liverpool woos and after the game what an ostrich size egg on their faces!

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Then Bob Paisley saw Graeme Souness put him on the ground and thought, ā€œHe’ll do for meā€.

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All teams are on 18pts this is after a collapse even worse than one we saw under Klopp in 20/21. This is on the back of being Premier League champions.

The teams fan bases can crow but hell I would be embarrassed that we were level if I was eithier club.

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Can we get Kelleher back please?

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I could listen to him all day. What a great player and man. :nerd_face:

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I hope we have a buy-back clause or first refusal clause or something. When Ali hangs up his gloves we need a world class keeper to replace him. Mama may or may not become that, but currently he looks very average to me. Early days I know, but we can’t judge him on future potential only on what he’s done for us. Hasn’t been Karius bad, but also hasn’t looked top draw either.

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I’m giving him something of a free pass at the moment given the shitshow unfolding in front of him.

Since I’ve been watching us, the only keepers I really rated were Clemence, Reina and Ali. Kelleher is slightly below them, but probably as good as any other we have had in that time. I don’t remember Tommy Lawrence playing for us (or Elisha Scott for that matter) but we have had a few duffers and several journeymen made to look better than they were by the quality of defenders in front of them.

Top keepers have always been somewhat undervalued.

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Reina better than Kelleher…behave! Reina is the most overrated (only by our fans) keeper we’ve ever had. Constantly flapping at crosses, making stupid mistakes and failing to save a good amount of shots for most of the time he was here. Don’t get me wrong he wasn’t shit as he did perform well for a season or 2 as I recall, but I never got the hype around him at the time and still don’t get it. The West Ham final sums him up perfectly - almost threw the match away for us with stupid mistake(s), but Stevie G bailed him out - then he saved a penalty or 2 and ended up looking like a hero.
Anyway, sorry - just my honest opinion (which I think is still ok to give these days?)
First keeper I saw was a young David James, Grobbs was just before my time.
I do take your point about Mama though to be fair - you are right that he hasn’t exactly had ideal conditions to make a debut season at one of the best and biggest clubs in world football!! It’s a bit harsh to talk too negatively about him perhaps given the shitshow unfolding in front of him.

Not by me. Ali and Kelleher are the only 2 in my time watching us that I can say fill me with confidence. Doesn’t mean they don’t make errors, but Kelleher is miles above any other keeper (excluding Ali) that we have had since the 90’s.

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Considering his deal, we didn’t have much negotiation power to have all these options. We had a quality backup keeper for a few years and then it was time for him to move on. Got the best price we could and that’s it.

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