I have no idea about his physical numbers, but in recent times, he certainly looked to me like he has put maybe too much focus in the gym. Not sure about the relation between muscle and body fat. Go back to your natural strengths for the position you play in and certainly get leaner (regardless if it’s muscle or fat), have a think about your game in all phases and don’t be too picky about the positions you’re asked to play in the process. But at the end of the day, even his overall quality/ceiling might not be as high as it might have seemed.
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He might have benefitted from dropping to the Championship and being a star in a side.
He should have taken the German option instead of Villa but then I’d love to live in Germany so maybe that’s just me
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Maybe he thought that he needed the strength to play in the midfield in the PL.
He was never the quickest and that remained his main achilees heel.
The only way Harvey’s problems are related to too much time in the gym is if it was one of those gyms that serves free pizza
The Valencia manager commented this week that he’s happy with Harvey’s effort citing his use of a personal chef at home, but acknowledges he’s still got a long way to go physically
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I agree.
Harvey is an excellent player when enjoying the game. Those injuries were setbacks, but he always came back willing.
The Aston Villa loan was a disaster. But then he knew all summer that a new manager would be here, so he should’ve given it his all to get fit and in contention. More so given the style of play Iraola likes and his demands on players.
But turning up in that physical shape for preseason seems to sum up where his head is at. HIs talent is there. He needs to put in a shift both on and off the pitch to get back on track, or end up like those players that shine when young then drift from club to club never reaching those heights again.
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I’m quite sure that this infamous picture (or was it a video?) which went unfortunately viral, was an AI-generated fabrication.
But yeah, he must have been obviously behind physically, having been put on the sidelines at Villa for a full season.
No it isn’t. And there’s loads of footage showing the same. He came back in an awful state. For anyone else you’d call it unprofessional, but I think with him with how positively everyone has always spoken about him, you have to view it as a fairly series indication of a damaged mental/emotional state
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He deffo looked a bit chubby at the end of one of our pre season games.
Just got sent off after coming on as a sub. Was a double yellow. The second one was for complaining I think.
Harvey came on in the 70th minute at 1-1.
Villarreal had a player sent off in the 79th.
Harvey went off in the 89th when it looked like they might win at least a point.
To make things worse - Villarreal scored the winner in the 96th minute.
Don’t think his coach will be happy with him and this honestly feels like a new low.
Could really end up like a Jonjo Shelvey and never make it to the PL again.
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I think there will be an element of Valencia wanting to cut their losses as well. Elliot will be among the more heavily paid guys there. And hence the ground work which is being laid for them.
Probably the loan will be cancelled , and we get Harvey in at January. Get him to full fitness and either loan him out by the end of January or just keep him around the first team.
I think we can get him into shape quickly by putting him on Klopp-era brutal training for a few months, then finishing the training with the famous Klopp-era lactate test.
Feels increasingly like he’s given up on his career.
I’ve watched the sending off multiple times I have no idea what it is he is supposed to have done. Obviously there is stuff that could have happened while the footage cuts away to the replay, but its really difficult to reconcile the descriptions of him in an ongoing remonstration with the ref with what is shown here
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1xegjmd/harvey_elliott_red_card_double_yellow_89_vs/
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The post match quotes from the manager were supportive of Harvey. La Liga refs are notoriously thin skinned, manager made note of the fact that Harvey probably isnt used to the difference between them and pl refs (not in so many words, but that was the point made).
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Looks like there’s no difference than the other players questioning his sending off yet they didn’t get booked
Terrible reffing, 1st with a non freekick and then compounding it with a ridiculous yellow.
Not lost on Shelley’s comparison as he had two decent stints at PL clubs after us.
Lots of mixed and very radical views here.
He’s not an excellent player, not even when he’s fully fit. And his ceiling is also not that high I’d say. And I also wouldn’t say he has given up on his career.
It’s a bad period for him due to a number of reasons, but still more than enough time and opportunities for him to settle somewhere at a level where he could be important.
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Fulham would be a good club for him.
Oh, perhaps not.
He was in a position at villa which was of villas making. They sign him on loan knowing that they hadn’t the funds to complete a deal, as well as sign the other players they would need. They should never have put the 10 game clause.
He’s gone to valencia who have been erratic for quite some time. Barely kicked a ball for over 2 years (didn’t appear much in title winning season irrc) and some are giving him pelters after 6 appearances for them. He’s a technically gifted but small footballer. He apparently put a bit of weight on… many other people would have hit the bottle in those circumstances.
He deserves a bit of fortune. I hope he gets it.
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