Masculinity - What Makes a Man?

[PeachesEnRegalia]

@Kopstar

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
⁠And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
⁠Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
⁠And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Ladies and gentlemen, England will be playing four - four - fucking - two.

[PeachesEnRegalia]

I believe this entire topic can be summed up by the following song by rock legends DVDA:

DVDA - Now You're a Man Lyrics

[Iftikhar]

I think Elliott was super unlucky with that injury last season. Same goes for Curtis. Hope they get many more mins this season.

[Semmy]

This is an answer very much defined by culture and location.

I very much dislike how much of this has been dictated in public by the marketing of goods and services. it takes away from how difficult it is to encourage good masculine behavior to youths, over the toxic shit they are bombarded with on a daily bases.

[Kopstar]

How long do you think clothes retailers, for example, will continue selling “boys” and “girls” clothes? It seems so outdated already that t-shirts with dinosaurs or marvel heroes on them will be “boys” and unicorns and rainbows will be “girls”.

My daughter hates unicorns!

What our children grow up to consider masculine or feminine will be revealing because to me those concepts are becoming increasingly redundant.

[Nobluff]

@richieh_10

I prefer the look of a man bag to those fucking clowns who wear bum bags (fanny packs - what ever they’re called) over their shoulder and across their chest.

I confess, in my foolish youth I did it once. I then did it a few more times till I got out of the habit. Now I make fun of those people.

[Bekloppt]

Yes, I’ve been thinking the same thing recently. Probably all clothes and shoes will be all jumbled up without division between M/F.
Doc Martens seem to be worn equally by boys and girls for example.

[Limiescouse]

@Bekloppt

Yes, I’ve been thinking the same thing recently. Probably all clothes and shoes will be all jumbled up without division between M/F.

This has already happened with several major retailers with toys, and produced the expected shit storm of a response from people thinking it was being done to emasculate little boys.

It is not a trivial thing, the way issues are marketed does have a huge influence on the way society responds to things. Take coding. In the early years of the industry it was almost exclusively a female role because it was born out of traditional administration jobs. It changed, and in very quick order, almost entirely because of the way early home computers were marketed as being a man thing to do man things.

[Semmy]

I think they’ll sell ANYTHING they can make a buck off. most of the shit I see nowadays (I have a 7yo) is already marketed with brand names, my son has already grown out of the “toy” clothes (Paw Patrol etc).

[RedSeven]

@Limiescouse

It is not a trivial thing, the way issues are marketed does have a huge influence on the way society responds to things. Take coding. In the early years of the industry it was almost exclusively a female role because it was born out of traditional administration jobs. It changed, and in very quick order, almost entirely because of the way early home computers were marketed as being a man thing to do man things.

Porn?

[Bekloppt]

Interesting. Is porn a man thing?

[RedSeven]

Maybe when computers were first marketed to men it was seen that way?

[Nobluff]

@ILLOK

Looking forward to seeing Harvey’s progress next season.

Keep this shit in the Elliott thread before I slap you with @mattyhurst and @Bekloppt man bags, while I wrap my dusty bum bag around your neck. last thing we want is a thread derailment.

[Red_Submarine]

[Dutch]

Interesting. Is porn a man thing?

It is on the tip of my tongue but I will not make the joke …

[Dutch]

Monday starts training …

[Flobs]

I know, I know, having a HiFi stereo and being an amateur of at least 1 sport!

[sandsoftime]

What makes a Man?.. Looking at this guy, Unplucked eyebrows :0)

[Bekloppt]

It seems to be masculine to act as if there’s something painful about discussing masculinity.

[Kopstar]

@Bekloppt

It seems to be masculine to act as if there’s something painful about discussing masculinity.