Masculinity - What Makes a Man?

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R Kelly & Harvey Weinstein,

Stephen Port & Derrick Bird.

Real men. :face_with_peeking_eye:

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No virtue signalling to be seen here. But then nobody else does it


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It’s not too long ago that pink was seen as a manly colour.

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Is that in any way helpful in the conversation?
I get the joke stuff regarding man bags, and some other stuff
but parallel to that a serious debate is happening.

This is fucking unnecessary. Atypical of any norms and never should be mentioned in a conversation surrounding masculinity.

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Praising John Goodman GIF by The Righteous Gemstones

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Celebrate In Love GIF by HBO Max

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my missus doesn’t give a flying fuck what i think. do you recommend i ask if she was born a man?

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I said “part of”.

Ask her
 if you’re willing to sleep on the sofa for the next few weeks.

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Oh didn’t realise a serious debate was going on, not really something I partake in
my sincerest of apologies.

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Forget what makes a man or masculinity for a minute, the bigger picture here is what makes humanity.

  1. Being accepting.
  2. Admiting when one is wrong
  3. Not giving up when the going gets tough.
  4. Allowing other people have their way of right (including opinions WITHOUT BEING FUCKING JUMPED ON CONSTANTLY)
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  1. Not being over sensitive.
  2. Not derailing conversations.
  3. Not being provocative and then feigning surprise when people react.

We can all make glib generalisations about humanity as a whole, but the discussion here is about what it specifically means to be a man, and if you had followed it, you’d have seen that there are a lot of different views on that, and many interesting perspectives. Your contributions so far have not been helpful or enlightening.

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None of those 3 points relate to humanity lad
they’re characteristics.

& I think my contribution greatly outweights sexual one worded comments such as “Gay”, could you explain to me how that “helps” this discussion you got going on here.

Can’t be bothered to read back through every post but style of clothing and accessories I can understand being spoken about.

For me personally I think a pink tie goes nicely with my light grey suit
hence why I wear it most chance I get.

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Analyse the behaviour and determine the demographics. What you appear to have done here is decided that one members contribution doesn’t fit the structure you want so it is therefore of no use.

why not instead analyse why one would behave in such a way and is that part of their culture and do they believe the way they behave is a sign of masculinity?

Ask questions and maybe your probing will unlock some insightful wisdom.

IMO that would be a more masculine way of dealing with the situation. <3

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Everyone has right of opinion. But in voicing it you must be aware of how people may react including being ‘jumped on’.

You mentioned 4 examples of “real men”, all of whom have committed sexual or violent acts?
If this is a meaningful contribution then I invite you to expand on what you mean?
If its a joke contribution then I don’t understand it, so you might enlighten me please?

I acknowledged the parallel joke discussion that started in the Harvey Elliot thread about man bags etc
and though its now somewhat tired it is humorous in parts.

If you bothered to read the content to date you would now a more serious discussion was also taking place.

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Increasingly, I think it’s hard for ‘masculinity’ to depart from ‘humanity’ without it attracting a degree of opprobrium for being anachronistic, sexist, patriarchal, misogynistic, toxic etc. As I alluded to above, I think that the definition has become a pejorative to the extent that where it occurs or can be recognised it is not considered positively. That is not the same with femininity but that attribute will perhaps also become redundant under the umbrella of ‘humanity’.

It’s somewhat of a dichotomy where differences are mostly promoted and protected but sought to be homogenised in others.

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The definition of femininity will never be as controversial as that of masculinity, and if it is it will be by women, not men. Masculinity is associated with negativity in society today, for numerous reasons. I really doubt that the overarching ideal of humanity will reduce the toxicity associated with maledom any time soon.

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Thought patterns and behavioural patterns have changed throughout time due to chemical changes with in the human brain. I wonder if there is a scientific study out there that has determined if people with identical low levels/high levels of certain vitamins/chemicals have the same behavioural and thought patterns.

Would be interesting to see if different parts of the world have different views on subjects like this and its related to chemical balance in the brain.

EDIT: Not saying one is right or wrong. Would just be interesting to see.

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I absolutely believe that there is a connection between the food we eat and how it affects the mood and behaviours of people.

There are dozens of studies relating to the gut microbiome and its interaction / communication with the brain. The microbiome is obviously affected by the environment in which we live and genetics but primarily by the food we ingest.

There is significant evidence that the health (or lack of) of the microbiome influences mood and health. It is possible to nurture and alter your microbiome which in turn nurtures your own health and mental health.

Here is a link to an article. There are dozens more articles and scientific papers about this subject available on the web. This is just one of the articles available for viewing, It is an example of the current scientific direction in this area.

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i will take a good look at this. thank you <3

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In short, as much as Singapore is a modern country, we still have very traditional views of what a man should be. Best example, if you are a househusband and your wife is working and you taking care of the kids at home, you will almost have plenty of ‘ooohhh
’ kind of expressions and people will still think that you are in chinese terms ‘eat soft rice’, meaning you are living off women, which is really very outdated because the practical thing is if your wife is earning more, it makes more sense for you to stay at home and take care of the kids instead. I know this is not exclusive to Asia but yeah this is quite a prevalent example of how we still look at men vs women. But it is changing of course with the changing of generations.

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