I have never and never will use the N word, however, what I hate is when people of the black origin use the N word, as in a greeting as in “yo my N”
How on one hand it can it be an offensive word then on the other used in such a blaise fashion.
the point is they have taken ownership of the word…
its a weird complaint made by non black people…‘its really weird and unfair how ‘you guys’ can use the word that was designed by us to belittle you, whilst we are no longer allowed’
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Yes is it weird for ‘non black’ people to understand, as for me they are belittling the offensive nature of the word, for me what you are saying is all semantics, it is or it isn’t offensive.
I am offended by the blaise use of it so that means it is offensive 
Not for me. I’m ok with the convention and it does not keep me awake at night.
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yes, but thats also the point isnt it…
to offend…
think of the moment in ‘the life of Brian’ when the guys about to get stoned to death
’ only getting worse for myself, how much worse can it get? Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah’
so yes it is offensive, ‘but what more are you gonna do to me? persecute me for saying a word you invented’
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No, because whether someone means to offend by what they say isn’t taken into context at all.
All someone has to say is that they are offended and a lot of the time the one feeling offended is doing it on behalf of a person/group that aren’t offended
feels like this conversation took a wrong turn somewhere…
back to the old troglodyte who thinks the girls ‘take a lot longer’ than they should…
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Merson rumoured to be going on Strictly… Not sure what his appeal is to hold onto his day job for so long, now he is being thrust into the living room of every Saturday night viewer…!
Is that an actual statistical percentage?
It may well be the case that he has a history of making comments that may offend, do you have anything factual to base that on or just speaking speculatively?
So you have never been out with male friends who have made a joke about their partner taking to long to do their make up…have you alienated them for it? Do you think women don’t say anything ‘cliche’ about their male partners?
Again, in response to your scenario, why do you have to ask everyone in the bar their opinion? You are quite within your right to feel it was out of order, that’s what’s called an opinion. Where I believe (my opinion) you are wrong is to make an issue of it, to take offence from it. You may not agree with the comment and you may look at the person in a different light but it’s not your right to get offended by it. Again this is entitlement.
I had to wind my 
back in, for the fear of offending….i don’t actually know the correct terminology now.
This just smacks of “I want to do whatever I want and the consequences are someone else’s problem”.
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What are you trying to say as that makes no sense whatsoever!
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I don’t have to be black to find something racially offensive even if it’s a racial slur about black people.
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So who has used a racial slur? and are you ok with a black person using said racial slur in some of their everyday language to each other. If so you are a hypocrite
It was an example.
How so? It might be the same word, but the connotations are different. The power dynamics are different. Would I take offence if a 3 year old white kid said it? No, though I’d be concerned as to what knid of environment they’re growing up in.
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You appear to have substantially misunderstood the comment you are replying to and how it fits into the conversation.
Something that may be acceptable for someone to say while having drinks with their friends does not make it appropriate for the same comment to be used by someone on the telly about athletes he is paid to commentate on.
The hypothetical of the situation in the pub was raised to illustrate that not only is the “people getting offended on behalf of other people” defense a bad one, but we all intuitively understand it to be bad. Even though you have used it previously in this discussion, in this comment you seem to agree that I do have the capacity to decide for myself and dont have to go an interview before I can form a judgement…so no need for me to ask the aussie swimmers if they are offended then.
As for me being entitled, the guy had been fired before I knew anything about it so I’m hardly demanding anything. I just understand the decision that has been made and have no problem with them taking it. Is it more entitled to acknowledge the justification of the consequences for what he did or to moan about there being consequences to men no longer being able to say shitty sexist stuff as part of their job.
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Context is everything. The same word is being used differently, it isnt being hypocritical at all.
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But only in context if a person of black origin uses it
I appreciate that I have not been in debate with yourself, so please do not think this response is directed at you. You raise a valid point.
I completely agree that the context of a situation is important. A situation can be perceived so differently without knowing the facts, the way things were said, etc.
In my opinion, although stupid and dated his comment wasn’t delivered with any intentional malice. That doesn’t excuse what he said but it also doesn’t give licence for people to vilify him and make him out to be a horrible person. In this case the female commentator replied saying something along the lines of, some men do too.
If the comment was said in a more menacing manner, or something like I don’t know why they are celebrating, Men are much better! or a woman’s place is in the kitchen, then I could accept there being an underlying agenda. I do feel that in this situation, considering the context in which his comments - all be it unprofessional- have been made out to be much worse than they actually are.
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