I love how they suggest that one of the errors cost ETH his job.
It didn’t, the fact he was utter shit in all the other incidents of play cost him his job.
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It’s interesting that there are far more missed interventions than wrong ones. I suppose the latter is worse, because they definitely do have the time to get it right.
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Didn’t read the atricle, just scrolled to the bottom to see the table.
Fucking long winded way of saying Liverpool still won the league.
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In fact it’s making a completely nonsensical argument as it is simply saying who was affected by on-field decisions being overturned.
It says nothing about whether those interventions were correct, consistent, and whether they should have intervened when they didn’t.
Theoretically, it tells you what the results would have been without VAR, but the fact it exists changes how officials operate, for example, allowing potential offsides to play out before flagging.
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Are you expecting rigour from… givemesport?
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The original source is even worse.
Thing is we finished our season on the 34th game, some of these decisions were spot on. And most goals will be offside and with the semi automated system there does seem to be less argument on that.
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So…was speaking to a few mates over the weekend during international break and a few have said they have stopped watching the Premier league due to VAR just killing it.
For my mates (and not all are LFC fans) its the VVD goal v City which has been one awful decision too many and that’s just against us.
I must admit I know how they feel. We were awful v City and even them missing a penalty didn’t wake us up but as we all know goals change games. If we level they don’t get their 2nd before HT. They go in at HT thinking it isn’t their day due to dominance while we go in and think it could be our day.
The Webb piece on TV with Owen summed it up perfectly. Here is the head of VAR (or whatever’s its called now) trying to justify VARs error but what he says basically says it should’ve stood. Owen is standing there think what the hell is this bloke on about. Few days later it comes out the goal should’ve been given. But how does that help us 5 days later?
The International break came at a good time for LFC and for me as I didn’t have to hear about VAR for the next 10 days. But this weekend there will be another shit show somewhere.
So last weekend I went to watch Leyton Orient come back from 1 down at HT to win 2-1.
There were so many poor decisions - Orient should’ve had a pen after their player pulled our player to the ground and then handled but the ref gave the foul to Exeter!
Exeter then got a penalty. Replays showed he went down a tad easy but its given and they go 1 up.
But the one thing I loved? A Goal is a Goal. No VAR. When we leapt out of our seats after the 2nd went in with 7 minutes to go we celebrated big time. Hang on - but isnt there someone 60 miles aways seeing if someone might’ve been shoved? Shoe lace offside maybe? Forward in the keepers way despite he saw the ball all the way? NO… A goal is a goal.
I came out of that ground thinking I can see why my mates have stopped watching the Premier League. If VAR had been involved Saturday then yes we probably should’ve had penalty. Maybe their Pen wouldn’t have been given and would any of our 2 been chalked off for something no one saw - who knows but it was just great watching a game with no VAR.
I started thinking on the way home that while there have been some good changes to football with technology like Goal line technology, VAR has basically ruined the joy of football especially scoring a goal.
VAR is trying to make the game 100% perfect and football isnt 100% perfect and no one wants it to be. VAR was meant to be for clear and obvious and now they take 5 minutes looking at clips to still get it wrong.
Id happily see it binned off to restore football to how it was. OK we were fuming that Sterling’s goal was chalked off v City a few years ago and we would’ve gone 2 up and maybe won the league that season but as they say “That’s football - You win some you lose some”.
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Problem was Man Utd mostly won it. Probably stick to semi automated offside and checking goal line tech. Leave the rest.
Anything that delays the game more than a minute isn’t clear or obvious. The issue is there is certain problems with certain refs
No they aren’t. Maybe if they were instead of trying to protect the referees feelings then it would be better. Now we have a jumble sale of decisions we can see are wrong but allowed to stand because the VAR can ‘see why they gave it’ instead of applying the right decision that everyone can see. Every other major sport doesn’t want their review system gone because it does make the sport better but football has decided that getting a decision right seems a bit naff.
I don’t understand why the ref and VAR can’t just be in constant communication, and when he isn’t sure the ref just gets to put his finger on his ear and go ‘I’ve just given a penalty there but I’m not 100% - can you have a look at check you’re happy with it’?
All this clear and obvious stuff, thresholds, re-reffing etc. just complicates what should be a really simple process.
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IFAB believes football is not a good fit for that sort of consultation because it introduces unnatural breaks to the game that football cannot accommodate in a way rugby and cricket can. Really so many of the issues come straight from IFAB and their view of what the ref is and how that fits into the flow of the game.
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As much as I hate VAR and the poor quality of referreeing, what I hate about the game is the amount of cynical fouls, the shirt pulling, grabbing and holding, diving, constant feigning of injuries.
This spoils games for me.
Although I do agree about VAR should be there to get decisions correct.
Regarding my 1st issue with the game, I was watching a YT video on Souness and there was the clip where the opposition player as Souness said had been pulling his shirt committing nighling little fouls and the next thing their player is on the ground with a broken jaw.
Players used to deal with the devious fouling themselves and we saw less of it.
Semi final of the European Cup if I remember right
Yes against an Eastern European team, Dynamo Bucharest, 1st leg at Anfield and had to go to their place for the return game with their fans baying for blood, which Souey loved.
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Problem with the tech isn’t the tech its the refs. And removing it will just lead to an increase because frankly the refs are poor/dogdy.
And I feel it has got worse under Webb.
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Prior to VAR, there was a suspicion that certain officials were biased, or just plain bent. VAR seemed to have support, because it was thought it would rout that out. Unfortunately, the same officials are working on VAR as well as on the field, and not only do we get the same problems with bias/bentary, but we get gaslit with their bullshit excuses.
Realistically, we need an independent group of referees to operate VAR. Aside from factual matters such as offsides and whether the ball crossed the line, it doesn’t solve the problems that the fans had wanted it to address.
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The policy is a broken one that can only produce good outcomes by accident.
Last week the Key Match Incident Panel met and determined in a vote of 4:1 that Arsenal should have had a penalty against Everton when the ref ignored what they thought was a foul by Keane on Martinelli in the box. However, all 4 of those “foul” votes also believed VAR was correct to not over rule the ref and intervene.
A desire to only use a light touch to address only the most egregious mistakes makes a lot of sense in the interest of not causing too many delays. But they have somehow found the worst of all worlds of allowing the tech to become very obtrusive while also allowing this absurd category of “clearly bad but not wrong enough to intervene” decisions.
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It’s impressive in a way that they could make such an absolutely show of implementing it.
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Problem with this is that if a goal is offside it will genuinely be shown as offside and refs and linesmen are probably relying on close calls with VAR now.
Not to mention every other thing that can happen due to situations in matches, so no Bournemouth wouldn’t necessarily have got CL and no the title wouldn’t nesscarily have gone down to the last day.
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