Then throw the referee up in the air and see how he lands.
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Pockets first, I’d imagine.
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Yup, it’s done to help the referee rather than VAR reffing the game.
Take the Salah one yesterday. Linesman doesn’t flag, ball goes in. Ref would say to VAR, “is there a reason I can’t award the goal” because it was tight.
VAR and ref then look at the footage without all the lines and what not and TV viewers can hear the conversation they have. The decision made is a joint one but ultimately the final decision lies with the on field ref.
It’s supplementary to the on field team, not decisions deferred to a bunch of lines and no explanation.
Also, it’d mean linesmen going back to actually doing something. The whole, don’t flag until the phase comes to an end even if you know it’s off is another misery inducing, unnecessary change.
Can’t wait for Matip to pull a hamstring chasing back a player who was clearly offside but because the linesman hasn’t flagged he feels the need to chase back.
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It’s got a simple solution which is effectively bring in margin of error, no ones going moan if you don’t draw lines to show an offside. The technology was to avoid obvious mistakes, I’m happy for say the wolves one last season given against us if it means one of our players isn’t judged offside because he happens to have a bigger pair of shorts on one day.
Dependent on the camera angle as well a line may give you a false impression, Hawkeye has it right in cricket. If something is within a certain measurement it stays with the on field decision.
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Agree totally
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Fundamentally its not the technology, its the prissy egotistical small dick officials manning it. Until thats changes VAR is no fit for purpose. Start with the top and cunts like Mike Dean.
VAR should be operated by completely independent personnel, who if found to make errors can be demoted. All based on a fully agreed rule set voted on by the clubs.
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It’s completely ruined the enjoyment of watching football for me. I don’t watch any other games now apart from ours and even they are becoming a struggle.
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Yep agree, combined with the ridiculous schedule there is no beautiful game. Watching games is a horrible stop start affair, played at 75%, compounded with wincing when a player goes down with fear of injury.
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The way they’re going, they may as well call in ERNIE to pick out results from its arse, thereby avoiding the need to actually have a game of football. More time for their prawn sandwiches an all.
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Saw a series of tweets which I can relate to and made sense to me in regards to this by Ian Doyle.
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332807266584694786?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332807787982839808?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332808145203236866?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332808813460721676?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332809794265247745?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332809868668002304?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332810438619394049?s=20
https://twitter.com/IanDoyleSport/status/1332810664361013248?s=20
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A good example would be Cricket, I think we want rid of the obvious flaws but this isn’t now judging obvious flaws, there was an offside for a Man U goal last season against Arsenal and that was when VAR was right, similar on the pen given against Spurs for Arsenal and only last week on that penalty that was given and then overruled against Villa.
Those are the decisions VAR should be making, not whether a player is a mm offside or a penalty given for what isn’t that obviously a mistake.
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Mark Halsey said that the pen given was against IFAB protocol, also suspected that Stockley Park gave the instruction for penalty, rather than ref’s decision:
“Also, IFAB protocol is that they have to be looking at the incident in real-time, not in slow-mo. You can make anything look like you want to make it look in slow-mo.”
“If you look at that incident on Saturday, I don’t think he’s looked at that long enough. I think he’s been told what to do. I can’t casually say, ‘Yes he has,’ because we can’t hear what’s being said, but he was there a minimal amount of time looking at that incident.
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I would not be surprised. Nobody hears what they are saying like in Rugby and the ones involved will not rat because next week is another payday for them.
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Interesting comment about the directive to look in real time, but I don’t think the issue that he didn’t take long to look at it holds up. If you look at the threshold for VAR intervening, that was not a miss (it wasn’t even a wrong decision) so bad that it needed correcting. Instead, the intervention had to be made on the basis of the images showing something inconsistent with what the ref claimed he saw. To that point, all he then did was go to the monitor to confirm there was indeed contact and deemed that enough to give a pen, which wouldnt have taken long.
Halsey hasnt reffed for about 10 years now and so I think he is missing just how much the interpretation has changed over what sort of contact is required for it to be a foul. I think he is thinking of a ref reviewing VAR looking to see if the contact was sufficient to impede the opposition, as per the law (it wasnt), whereas a modern day ref would be just looking for any contact
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Oddly enough on what the ref has been shown does chime with a few other incidents, one that I can’t remember fully and he was shown it from one angle, the other angle showed that ball possibly did come off the defender last but they didn’t show the pictures sky had shown to the ref.
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This video link just shows the hypocrisy of VAR and I still don’t what the fuck Dermot Gallagher’s point is he is just spouting bollox!!!
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Manchester United’s equaliser yesterday was apparently reviewed by VAR and they deemed that Henderson’s long ball had not arced out of play.
Why did the MOTD team say that VAR did not review it then produce their own graphic to illustrate that the ball had, in fact, clearly crossed the touchline while in the air? 
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It was this incident in the game against west ham:
This is what the ref was shown:
The decision was given against Sadio.
The question has to be asked, why was the ref only shown the incident from one angle? Who decides what to show?
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The first loop of video looks very much like the West Ham defender gets a touch on the ball and Mane takes him out though so what are you trying to say?
Arguably the foul is more on the defender than the keeper maybe…
This epitomises the whole nonsense that VAR has become. In all other levels of football, a foul is given for that and everyone moves on and forgets about it but we end up looking at grainy bits of video trying to analyse whose foot touched what and in what order…truly ridiculous
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