He’s from Liverpool and he’s English. Same as me.
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And me too. Proud to be both.
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Pride in nationality is a weird concept. It’s just a place you happened to be born. Usually the history is nothing to be proud of.
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Now pride in coming from Liverpool is understandable 
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Dutch you just don’t like any Dutch players!! 
Except Gini.
You’re like me with German players. I don’t like ANY, except Goretzka.
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What?! Not even Virgil the great who transformed our defense?
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Not completely true but you may have a point.
I like van Dijk too and de Ligt and de Jong and from a while back Frank Rijkaard whom for me had everything a good football must have. Tall, strong, excellent ability and he had a mean streak too.
Now you know why I like Gerrard so much. 
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I don’t think there’s anything weird about it.
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Really? Because I’m really proud to be German and even more proud of being born in Berlin.
EDIT: but I guess this is the state of the world we live in. I should feel some sense of shame or apologize.
And don’t you guys ever see the African players that wear the colors of their homeland around their wrists when they play? They shouldn’t be proud of where they’re from?? That’s just dumb.
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Except all this is just your Opinion. Not worth any more or less than anyone else’s. I love Sadio but am not too blind to see Schuurs pretty much had him in his hip pocket all first half. I get it, Sadio is “gassed”.
All of this from you, from a guy that didn’t even know Liverpool was playing yesterday. 
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This probably isn’t the right thread to bring it up I suppose but ultimately my thought about pride in where you are born is - Why?
It’s pure chance, a roll of the dice as to where you were born. You did nothing to get there. It’s not an achievement to be born in a place it just happens. I don’t understand where pride can come into it.
Edit: No, not being proud of something does not mean you have to be ashamed of it. You can just be ambivalent.
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We aren’t talking about the match, are we!!!
Mane’s first half performance…
1 shot on target (joint most in the match)
25 touches (Jota had 19, Salah had 12)
2 dribbles, 50% completed (joint most in Liverpool side with Salah)
2 aerial challenges won - 100% (Joint most)
Dispossessed once (Less than Jota, same as Salah)
Mane was not at his best but he was a nuisance still and was very far from being pocketed.
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We will win the league at a canter.
CL will be more difficult, but it is also in the bag.
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Agree to disagree to disagree.
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Mane, Jota and Salah were all blunted by their own touch or decision making, it had little do to with the opposition who gave them all plenty of space.
If one opposition defender deserves credit for their performance against us in the CL it would be Romero for Atalanta at Anfield. He was a wall.
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I can’t follow this.
So you have to have ‘done’ something to be proud of it?
I kinda understand your angle but I disagree, I’m really proud I come from a sunburnt country who despite the press hounding us and trying to convince us to be ashamed of ourselves, mostly for the negative issues surrounding colonialism and racism and a leadership that is finding it hard to be motivated to ween itself off the fossil fuel tit , is on the whole, an accepting country full of generous people who are progressive and accepting of others, and are motivated to make amends for the issues from the past.
I get a weird sense of pride when I see a koala, I can’t explain, but I just do… when I see the rock I feel a sense of pride, the cricket team, even just the map, as weird as that sounds…
None of the above can I control, but I’m proud of them regardless
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I never said you can’t be, I said it’s weird. It is human nature, as history proves, but it is still weird.
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Oh.
Yeah, I can get onboard with agreeing it’s weird.
Weird, but I understand it.
Humans have a sense of wanting to belong
I assume it’s a survival instinct, a built in mechanism that would take Millenia to erase…
Think about just about everything we do to belong, religion, national pride, even, or especially sport…
If you want to take it further to it’s logical conclusion, we shouldn’t be wanting one football team to beat another because we decided to emotionally invest in that one team, we should just applaud the pursuit of the game
So when Salah smashes in the goal to clinch the league this season how can we truely feel pride or happiness? We didn’t contribute, we just were lucky enough to bear witness to it and lucky enough to pick liverpool as a random team to like…
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Exactly. Us Humans are a funny bunch.
There might be a more advanced civilisation out there somewhere studying our rudimentary systems of nationalism, religion and sport to understand their own history. Marveling at how we irrationally attach ourselves to concepts, ideas and vague systems of community.
Anyway, that’s all I’ve got to say about Curtis Jones.
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