i bet you -somehow- we wouldnt be.
‘remember that Gerrard foul on van persie in the box?, chalk it down as a decision against Sir’
"no i dont, or do you mean the tackle near the centre circle where gerrard came away with it cleanly’
"stop splitting hairs, it totally affected the game, put a mark against UTD…’
To add here is the XG Table done by Sky, I’m not sure what I make of the XG Stat analysis, but the below clearly backs up what most old us have been saying, we have dominated teams but failed to take our chances, we have been our own worst enemy. Yes some decisions have gone against us, I don’t remember a season in football or any sport where that doesn’t happen for your team, but we have still done enough to be top of this League.
Had we played our football at close to the level of the last 2 season we would be walking this League
I think you’re completely missing the point. It’s absurd to suggest that we should not care about refereeing patterns that have gone plainly against us, and ignoring the point the likes of @Mascot have made about how we’re just being refereed different to others, just because we’re “our own worst enemy”.
It doesn’t matter how well or poorly we’re playing, shit refereeing is shit refereeing and should not exist. We can have been playing poorly by our own standards and yet be dominating the league if not for the refereeing. The idea that we have been extremely poor does not contradict the idea that the refereeing has been an absolutely shitshow biased against us.
I’m not of the grand conspiracy theory thought, but I am fairly certain that there is a recurring pattern of refereeing decisions going against us. I just don’t know the reasons why that would be the case. But dismissing the idea just because we’ve been shit is burying your head in the sand.
The draw with MU was a classic. Mo tried to move to anticipate a knock down from Fab but was anchored by Maguire who had both arms wrapped around him . To be honest I did not notice it live but it was clear on the replay and on photos
Of course it isn’t anything but flat. The FA tilts the world towards whatever goal United are attacking.
I’ve looked round various football forums over the years, mainly for schadenfreude. Never have I seen a group of supporters (for any club) who do anything but criticise and vilify the officials. But we’re worse off? I really do think that the idea that the authorities have a concerted effort against us is close to lunacy. I’ve even seen reference to secret police being involved. My word…
Nope
Believe what you believe. There was an entire thread dedicated to this on TIA and I am not going there again.
I have no intention of collating evidence for you to attempt to cut holes in it, which would lead to endless circles and warnings. I would suggest a bit of open minded thinking, if you are up for it.
I know what you mean and I’m not buying 100% into the idea either but what else is it? Just rotten luck?
I could certainly see players gaining a reputation for going down “easily” but why haven’t the refs picked this up on Pogba and Fernandes for example?
It just does feel weird.
But all of this still doesn’t excuse the fact that we aren’t playing well either.
Just one of the many, many decisions in United’s favour since the inauguration of the Premier League:
Meanwhile, our players are wrestled to the ground without any free kicks being given, flagged offside for their shirt sleeve or armpit, etc, etc…
Your last sentence is the absolute and utter crux of the matter. When you play shit you tend to blame anybody and everybody but yourself.
That was so long ago that the players have tails ffs.
Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I keep seeing this argument over and over again, but it’s a only ever a convenient way to dismiss the claims and sweep them under the carpet. Just because it seems like all fans have the mindset that they’re the victims, therefore it doesn’t happen?
The perception isn’t always equal to the reality, and there have been plenty of analyses done over the years that demonstrate the systematic nature of wrong decisions going against particular clubs. But sure, feel free to bury your head in the sand if you want to.
Do please feel free to quote any of this research. I’d be very happy to be proven wrong.
World Cup as I remember (Lampard?) ball over the line by a country mile. No VAR to correct the decision though.
TIA was where most of us on here came from, if you were not there you won’t have seen the difficulties that thread caused. On both sides.
So, enough of the insults “mate”. I am not doing any kind of talking except what I believe.
Can I recommend you read “There she goes” by Simon Hughes, educate yourself a bit.
Why then does the conspiracy not seem to extend to Everton who actually have a much higher percentage of scousers in their fan base if the whole thing is based on
hatred of the City. Are they just too stupid to realise what is happening to them?
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Why then does the conspiracy not seem to extend to Everton who actually have a much higher percentage of scousers in their fan base if the whole thing is based on
hatred of the City. Are they just too stupid to realise what is happening to them?
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Rambler we have been on opposite sides of this debate before. You know my views, you have asked the same questions over and over. I know you believe that equity exists and that things “even out”. I dont.
Quick google search, not research but a quick sample. Rafa, Kenny both part of our history, both making reference to decisions Man Utd would get that Liverpool would not.
This is old ground. But its worth repeating.
Conspiracy would require a lot of organising, its not conspiracy.
Bias can and does exist.
Rafa was totally correct about his list of facts but he should have waited until he won the PL before saying something because after that he lost quite a few games due to dodgy decisions and Manure were helped with some outrageous decisions to Winn their games hey presto thereby helping slur Alex to prove that he got to Rafa’s head it does my head in that people believe that mind games crap because it is the players that decide games on the pitch not managers and it certainly should not be refs. The same thing happened to Keegan previous to that he lost a lot of games and slur won a lot of games to overtake him and imo nothing to do with the mystical mind games from him