Both Szob and Macca have been guilty of it in the past, they are goal side, over commit and then get beaten and it’s all hands to the pump.
They need to control their space and force play away from goal or backwards, patience and holding play up is key in transition.
But what do you mean by top players exactly?
What is that based on?
And yes, some things will take time.
Is he better than Wharton though,
There seems to be a lot of hankering after the glories of the past in messages here and elsewhere on the board. We’re not going to replicate Mo, Bobby and Sadio. Those were great times, but they’re in the past, and the new lads need to be appreciated for who they are and not compared to idols of the past. Same with the midfield and the defence. All this ‘we need another Hendo’, ‘we need another Bobby’ stuff really isn’t helpful.
It’s all going take time. Remember the several months of Klopp that’s where we are at the moment.
We can’t have a midfield that would equate to Hendo, Fab and Gini, industrious midfielders, because we don’t have those 3 game winning forwards, so we need more creative input from the midfield.
I think we need to give the players time to get used to the system and also for Andoni to coach, not just the team function but also the individual within the team and their role in certain situations.
Well, we tried ‘zoning’ them twice yesterday and it led to them scoring both times. The idea that tackling is somehow unsophisticated football these days makes my blood boil. Consider some of our greatest midfielders - Souness, Case, McMahon, Whelan, Fabinho - go tell them tackling isn’t needed. We stand off players instead of putting a body on them and back off instead of engaging in a tackle. It’s disastrous as proved by last season.
All the money sunk into Isak and Wirtz. And they did next to nothing.
Yeah todays game is all about staying on your feet, but you also have to have the ability to go to ground to win the ball, very rarely see Szob go to ground or Virg, but sometimes you just have to have it in your locker,
Did we? I didn´t see any proactive zoning at all. We let them run in a straight line towards our goal. Zoning would have been forcing them out wide or away from goal.
I agree that tackling is often needed at some point and we probably need a better tackler, but defending is a lot more than just that.
No football system ever will fix the issue with our whole
Midfield letting Wissa turn past them (twice) with the ball and them providing him an escort to our box
I tend to agree.
And if adult professional established players need to be coached to know what they should do in that situation, God help us.
Thats why I mentioned Andoni coaching the individual within the team structure!
Yet they do
it won´t help all that much.
It´s who they are.
Exactly. At this point they’re all in their early to mid 20’s and that foundational nature of their game is set.
What Klopp did transforming Gini from an AM to a CM is incredibly rare
Well, plus Van Dijk
Are we going to tell him he needs to start actually pressuring attackers?
The one who I think could be coached and will learn is Jacquet
The worst example of that was Kerkez for the first goal. As Newcastle broke he checked twice over his shoulder to see Elanga start his charge and started to sprint back hard. Now, we can presume he’s been told before the game that this guy is rapid, but instead of moving into Elanga’s path to obstruct his run or make him deviate, Kerkez lets himself get into a straight foot race with Elanga - one he was always going to lose. It’s naive defending and something he shouldn’t need to be told.
I mean they are excellent footballers. Based on previous performances for their clubs and countries.
But you probably know best and they’re all shite