Post match: Newcastle v Liverpool (EPL 4/12/24 7.30pm)

Who finished the last game with head injuries:

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And somehow helped us get into the champions league :clap::clap::clap:

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He clearly touches the ball as the direction changes.

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Some comments here from other LFC fans on the game

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Interesting to see what Liverpool fans have been saying about Newcastle United.

The two teams clashing on Wednesday night at St James’ Park.

An end to end match where both sets of supporters went through extremes of emotions.

So how do the Liverpool fans see things, reflecting on what they witnessed…

The comments below from Liverpool fans on their Liverpool FC message board:

‘VVD didn’t get close enough to Isaak for his goal.

Our players looked terrified of Joelinton.’

‘Newcastle’s midfielders, Joe, Tonali and Bruno, are like gangsters, while ours are more like men from the Polo club. We need more imposing CMs (such as Onana, Baleba) for games like this. If you look at our reserves Endo, Morton, Baj, Mcconnell, none of them look like they can put up a fight against those 3 Newcastle CMs.’

‘The ref changed the narrative of the game by giving cards to our midfielders early whilst not giving yellows to the Newcastle players for similar challenges.’

‘You’re banging on about the ref all day as if he cost us winning the game.

He did us the biggest favour of the night when he didn’t give a penalty against Quansah. He did us probably the second biggest favour of the night when he blew the final whistle when Newcastle were breaking on us 3 v2 inside our half. The ref didn’t leave that ball go out for what he thought would be a goal kick with a player behind him, nor did he miss a tap in from two inches.

Some of the bookings may have been on the harsh side but the ref didn’t cost us 2 more points last night.’

‘Cannot stand Newcastle and their snide approach to football. Bare minimum contact and the player drops, and the dumbed down refs immediately blow for a free kick. The incompetence of English referees is beyond the pale now, absolutely horrendous and they have – not will, have – ruined the game.

Thought last nights game would be harder then the City game, and so it proved. Having said that, I genuinely want to utterly demolish them when they come to Anfield. Also cannot stand their pretender manager and his second head.’

‘This was actually a good point. It’s a tough place to go. We didn’t deserve a point to be honest but we scored 3 brilliant goals which is what can happen when you have quality players.

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‘First half we were bullied, just weren’t at it, looked a shadow of ourselves and Newcastle thoroughly deserved to be in front at HT

Second half was far more like it.’

‘This forum is 99% a rant on how bad we were.

Newcastle playing well and carry out a well-designed gameplan may have contributed to that.’

‘If this is what it’s like after a draw then avoid the forum like the plague after a defeat.’

‘I don’t want to make excuses because I thought technically we were very poor but ref set the tone of the game with how he reffed it.

We couldn’t do much, then early bookings meant Mac couldn’t bite into tackles etc.

Obviously majorly bad calls get headlines but consistent poor refereeing throughout the game makes more of an impact.

Thought he was a disgrace.’

‘Howe bought Anthony Gordon partly because he’s a good diver. Win pens or win lots of free kicks where he can send his giant players up into the box.

The much lauded Howe.’

‘Yep! The Ref was a real homer’

‘He gives a yellow to Grav for pulling someone back and doesn’t give a yellow to a Newcastle player who does the same thing literally minutes later.

He was incompetent for. Newcastle as well because he didn’t give Isak a penalty and who blows the whistle when the opposition are on the attack?

‘A rested full fit Liverpool would have battered them.’

‘I still maintain that not losing to our main opposition is the key to winning the league. Simple.’

‘Read something yesterday, that if only the top6 mini league counted, Arsenal would have won the league for the past 3 seasons.’

‘I don’t think we are or will be complacent, we just didn’t play well. But even then we still nearly took the 3 points.’

‘Plenty times there has been gaps between Gravenberch and defence and against Newcastle it was comically bad, no top DM allows that to happen

‘Newcastle is an exception. You don’t think Fabinho had bad games where he was badly exposed?’

‘Gravenberch has been in the conversation as one of the best DMs this season so the notion he isn’t defensively aware is ridiculous.’

‘Plenty times there has been gaps between him and defence and against Newcastle it was comically bad, no top DM allows that to happen.’

‘Even when we win, which incidentally is all we’ve been doing for the last few weeks, many on here can’t complete their day without moaning about something.

It seems a 7pt lead (say that number out loud again) isn’t enough to prevent the doom-mongers predicting that arsenal & chelsea will easily make that up and pass us.

We’re apparently very lucky with our results so far, but paradoxically should’ve also been winning all our games.’

‘As for this match, i’m sound with the result, it was a cracking game and 3-3 was about right in the end.

We are not going to win every match remaining, virtually impossible, so a point is valuable indeed, and 7 points clear is great.’

‘I’d have liked VVD to be a bit closer to Isaak and possibly throw himself at the ball instead of hanging a leg out (having said that Isaak is capable of feinting to shoot and dragging it past the defender.’

‘Virgil got turned by Isak for his goal, did he have a nightmare? Besides, Quansah hesitating was to blame for the Gordon goal and Joe was left with very few options. For a guy playing CB for the first time in months against a team like Newcastle at home I thought Joe was fine, particularly when the rest of the team wasn;t exactly giving him much support.’

‘I think we stand off because our players all had yellow cards on them. Any touch and the newcastle players throws themselves on the floor like they got shot and we werent getting anything. The ref needs to be stronger against play acting.’

‘We just dropped two points away from home to a well-organised and highly-motivated Newcastle side containing some genuinely top class attacking talent, and we were a freak goalkeeping error away from being able to say, “How good is this squad?’

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‘We can also take some comfort from the fact that Newcastle have better quality than Everton, so they really have to raise their level to do that to us. Not entirely unlikely but Newcastle was always going to be a tougher game than the derby.’

‘Joe Gomez had a very decent game. I wanted to add that on the play when he fluffed the backpass and allowed Gordon in on goal, this scenario came about after Jones was blatantly shoved in the back by Guimaraes as he ran towards their box, knocking him over and allowing the counter. The ref was right on top of it and just chose not to blow the whistle. Check the replays.

Quansah was the blame for Gordon’s goal, lets be honest, not Gomez.

Similarly, when Murphy shot wide of an open goal, that counter came from an equally blatant shove from behind by Joelinton as Dom was shepherding the ball by the corner flag. He was knocked six feet in mid air and Madley was right there to see it but chose not to give the foul. It was a dreadful referee performance, so bad that even the Newcastle fans felt robbed as well.’

‘After COMFORTABLY beating both the current English & European champions in 4 days, & being rightly called the best current team in Europe; a draw three days after that now means that both arsenal & chelsea will finish above us.

Never mind that we were without 4 or 5 starters, or that Newcastle are gameraisers who beat one of those same team’s (arsenal) at home already.’

‘Anthony Gordon is a vile disgusting diving piece of trash. The fact we were extremely close to signing him in the summer makes me sick.’

‘Not sure why a draw against a quality opponent on a VERY difficult away stadium makes many here jittery. It’s not like we lost to Forest at home.’

‘Slot was always going to be tested and if a draw away at Newcastle looks like such a calamity its a measure of how much better we have been than anyone expected.’

‘Salah. What a baller!

Isak. A proper striker.

Gutted a bit that we let it slip in the end but that would have been robbery somewhat.’

‘It would have been justified considering we were playing against 12 men. I think the ref only blow during the Newcastle breakaway because he thought it would even things up.’

Fabian Schar Goal Newcastle Liverpool Kelleher Arnold

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My eyes are getting old and a few have said the same so I must have missed the touch

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Probably an issue of camera angle. Some look really problematic for us, but there is one from behind that clearly shows he got to the ball

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Always glad to help…
Trust @RER and me.

He says Quansah touched the ball.
I say Quansah touched the ball…

So, no penalty.
Always at your service with unbiased eyes.

(one part of last sentence might not be true)

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I do remember some arguing regarding Curtis jones incident where the keeper got the ball and Curtis then went flying over him and those some arguing it should have been a penalty.

:wink: :kissing_heart:

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After taking all the emotion out of it, thinking logically, I can’t understand why Arne didn’t put on Endo to be a pure destroyer and preserve the 2-3 lead.

Would he have told Kelleher to catch the ball?

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It’s not that straightforward. I meant as soon as we scored the third. Take a striker off, push Dom forward and have Endo be the shield. It would set a pattern and that whole episode would be unlikely to happen.

I know. I wasn’t being entirely serious.

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The counterfactual would be as @Bekloppt said though, if Kelleher didn’t make that mistake, no one would be talking about it. As it was, that free kick came from a dive to begin with.

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So the theoretical Endo substitution would have had a ‘butterfly effect’, setting off an entirely different chain of events which would have led to no free kick, no Kelleher flap, a 3-2 win and Assad being invited onto Strictly.

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Kelleher didn’t flap. He just stood there.

At least it would have been easier for him to run away from Syria. As it stands he did less than Kelleher did on Newcastle’s third goal.

Poetic license. Kelleher’s just standing there doesn’t flow as well and lacks dynamic vitality.

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He didn’t stand there though? He jumped for it, and then thought it was better to let it go out for the goal kick, except it didn’t.

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Good lord man! Print the legend!

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Poetic licence.

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