Played.
So you want players swearing at the ref? You want zero respect? You want grass roots refs being abused and berated?
Beggars belief it really does.
Stop digging.
The joke went over your head.
Not digging
You are the one gettinng heated.
If its the Ashes, Iâm choosing Cricket over Liverpool. A CL final though would be close. Very closeâŚ
Oops. Wrong forum.
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Iâm the one in slack jawed incredulity at a person claiming that to be working class, you have to swear at the ref.
Remind me what VVD earns?
Where did I actually claim that?
You are deliberately misreading the post.
You want our player banned for swearing. I see your desire as sanitisation of the game.
Calm down a bit
How about this post of yours? Pretty obvious youâre backing away from it. âAh, I didnât really mean thatâ
Perfectly calm, I rarely get animated.
Not a bit
As I said, calm down a bit.
If someone swears in a moment of heat, then so what?
Ban them for a number of games?
Stop digging.
So you want kids swearing at refs on Saturday morning by definition.
By your definition.
Players swear, its normal.
No need for the police to be brought in.
If a kid swears at a ref on Saturday morning?
Maybe down to your version of bad parenting??
Do you possess or have ever met anybody with a basic human ability called self control? Itâs what separates us from the animals.
Mo Salah gets lumps kicked out of him, and you donât get animated.
Virgil swears and its a hanging offence.
I donât like the tribalism that allows fans to look at a questionable red card, even if it falls within the written rules of the game, and allow past poor decisions from games and years past to justify and encourage terrible behavior by our players on the pitch. Virgil got a red card and then acted like a prick to the official. If any of my kids approached a referee in the manner Virgil did Iâd be furious. You can protest and make an argument without telling the ref heâs a so and so. There are some on here saying we need to intimidate referees outside of matchday and pay them off like they are sure others are already doing! Thatâs nuts!!!
Itâs the whataboutism factor that I really despise. Itâs what is currently justifying terrible chanting from the terraces, itâs what politics and political supporters use to justify political crimes, and itâs what is currently tearing apart democracies. Itâs what stops individuals from looking in the mirror and asking the question am I being a decent human being - actually it doesnât matter because look how they are behaving! Look at it the incident and tell me Virgil covered himself in glory by telling the ref to do one. The ref was incredibly poor, but it doesnât give you the right to scream in his face and tell him off. If John Terry or Maguire or fill in the blank from another team had done similar weâd all say look at that spoiled cunt, got what he deserved.
Consistency and bad refereeing are problems, but they always have been. I want the liverpool captain to act in a manner fit his station and be a role model not only to the youth that look up to him but to the other 19 clubs in our league. We are Liverpool, show them what that means.
There are avenues to take umbrage with terrible refereeing decisions, but by the players on the pitch right after the decision is made is not one of them. I think we all hated how Mourinhoâs Chelsea would surround the ref at every opportunity because they thought the world was against them. Letâs not do the same.
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There is no distinction to be made. At the point of the infringement Virgilâs actions have prevented a clear goal scoring opportunity. The foul has taken away the opportunity. If he doesnât foul him THEN it isnât a clear goal scoring opportunity because Virgil is able to defend what Isak does next.
In that scenario the ref will have to consider the same four factors.
- distance between the offence and the goal - ten yards inside the half is a long way from goal compared to the edge of the box.
- general direction of the play - the striker has his back to goal and is presumably chesting it away from goal in an attempt to control it. Itâs entirely possible his direction of movement is towards the ball and away from goal.
- likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball - he may control the ball but itâs very different to being a ball played into feet or into the players run
- location and number of defenders - the defender is directly between the goal and both the attacker and ball.
It is an entirely different situation and when considering those factors that refs are expected to use to judge the situation then itâs fairly clear how a ref would come to a different decision.
What avenue at taking umbrage works?
Hyperbole of the greatest order, nice.
Always the same here, somebody posts with obvious meaning then refuses to answer points raised about it. Fine, have a good day. Go swear at people, try a policeman. Act as you seem to think a working class person does. Iâd imagine a lot of working class people (me included) think youâre patronising, condescending and plainly ill informed. Donât know if you have kids but if you do, hope you teach them to swear at teachers, effectively the same.
News flash, footballers are role models. Support them acting like idiots then youâre authorising kids to do it too. Otherwise youâre one hell of a hypocrite.
Thank-you.
Yes, the ref should have sent Lacelles off. No argument about that. My point was you said âthere wasnât much fumeâ and those are two reasons why.
As for the red card, if you donât think itâs a red thatâs fine. For me itâs clear. For the ref it was clear. For nearly every single pundit it was clear. For the FA it will be clear. I donât even think Klopp has argued it shouldnât have been a red. If that makes all of us âblinkeredâ in your eyes then so be it.
But maybe instead of just chucking insults around you give us your opinion on why it wasnât a red so we can have a discussion.
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None of which relates to my post.
Nice.