Premier League 2023/24 (Part 1)

They’re all shite

Can’t even blame De Gea freak saves anymore, lol. Then again, much as he won them some points, he was also in the net for 5-0, 4-0, and 7-0. :rofl:

Look at Wolves stats from last year in front of goal it seems to have continued.

Yeah, Nunes and Kilman. CM and CB. Combined cost of 75 mil euros. Problem solved. Or not, as Nunes might not be a) a DM b) very good.

https://twitter.com/FelixJohnston_/status/1691031102213795840?s=20

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We need to go after referees with the same vigour because it’s those cunts who are killing us, not Chelsea.

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Maybe they feel they get more response from the PL than the FA.

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Manure’s 12th man helped them stay above Liverpool while their agent at Chelsea denied us two goals job done even TH admitted it was not a penalty and they were lucky lucky my arse!

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The ref, the VAR and assistant VAR has all been removed from games for the coming weekend over the failure to award the Onana penalty. Yet, can someone tell me why this is so universally viewed as a penalty, and the Spurs one was not?

As someone who thinks they are both very clear fouls, I dont get where the line gets drawn on the point that people realize it’s absurd that keepers can get away with clattering a player when coming for the ball and missing it

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Ones being talked about.

They should both be penalties.
As should the Jackson handball.
VAR isn’t doing what its supposed to.

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Unfortunately VAR is doing what the league have asked it to do - not refereeing the game but instead only be used to provide factual corrections to the ref. When the ref sees the events in an incident properly and makes a decision one way or another there isn’t a factual basis for VAR to intervene

VAR places a higher priority on that than it does on “getting it right”. That ties the hands of the people in the booth and means there will be lots of situations over the course of a season where a bad decision is arrived at despite VAR doing what the PL demand of it. And when those happen they don’t stand up and take ownership they throw the individuals under the bus like they have here

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If anybody is in any doubt for the Bournemouth match Tierney is in VAR aided and abetted by the guy who elbowed Robbo and the 4th official is Taylor again?

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The officials may have been stood down… Unlikely they will have their salaries docked though…!

So its really Hawk Eye for offsides then, in reality.

Basically it might be worth bringing that automated offside in and ditching the rest.

And just like Goal Line Tech hope it works all the time which to be fair it seems to be pretty good.

It’s never going away and if it did the outrage at the first incident that VAR should have overruled would be brain breaking. Semi autonomous offside Technology (SAOT) is in more widespread use now and it seems a big leap forward. The Prem declined adopting this season because they feel that now it is being used we’re on the verge of a big leap forward in technology and so didnt think the investment was worth it for this year if by next season everything would have to be upgraded. So at least based on that explanation, the expectation is we should be there for SAOT next season

For the rest of it, I think the powers that be are right to avoid thinking VAR can be used to correct every error. They are right to be cautious about the negative impact on the game by being overly involved. But when you take that position you have to be really good at communicating what the limits are that you’re operating in and what you know you’re not going to be able to solve. At every level of this the communication has been absolutely terrible. Starting with the “Clear and obvious” directive, which is something that provides no clarity at all and just opens the door for every brain dead pundit to ask “was that not clear and obvious, Jim?”. Most important though has been the communication void after matches. There should have been an intensive PR effort from day 1 explaining to the public in clear (not referee language) why VAR did not intervene in the situations it did, and constantly put that int he context of trying to avoid problems caused by its over use. The media in general have been terrible at explaining what VAR is and what is it trying to do, but when you create an information vacuum you leave room for people motivated by factors other than helping people understand (i.e. driving controversy for eyeballs) to fill that space.

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What about the cricket system of two challenges per team per match (as in per match for football, in cricket it’s per innings). If you challenge the ref has to go to the sideline video monitor and review the incident and make his decision. If he upholds your challenge you don’t lose a review.

Can challenge for penalties, red cards, second yellows that trigger a red, and for bad fouls that should be a red but aren’t even whistled.

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