Premier League 2025/26 (Part 1)

I think the semifinal of the CL will finish them off.

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To quote Tony Evans from the Walk On pod, I’m not ā€œhavingā€ Arsenal.

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Ah shit. I get you.

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Mikel Arteta spent the last three years edging Ethan Nwaneri only to get bored of him the moment Max Dowman turned 16. As a result he now has a schoolchild on the bench, who he won’t use, and is turning to Leandro Trossard, who he actively tried to sell in the summer, to rescue the game at the Etihad.

(Liverpool have tried to sign Nwaneri before, and I still he think he has ā€œfuture Liverpool playerā€ written all over him)

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Urgh, just found out Villa also beat Sunderland and still 3 points ahead of us.

Just wanna finish ahead of Yanited.

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Where does the expression ā€œto bottle itā€, come from ? When did this idiom enter the English language ? I should probably google, but who knows, there may be someone knowledgable here :slight_smile:

I suppose it means ā€œdroppingā€ your bottle (milk bottle ?) and that it originally then refered to that milk bottle shattering and the contents being spilled, and that one therefore fucked up; but that is just a guess.

Bottle was slang in the 19C for courage or nerve, so I presume it has evolved into a verb from that.

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Cheers and thank you !

So lack of courage and then gradually becoming a saying or idiom, about lacking ā€œsteelā€/courage or mental strenght. It seems to now also refer to mental fortitude.

I am just nerding. I should probably google. I find a lot of oddities interesting :slight_smile:

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I’ve heard that it was from cockney rhyming slang (Bottle and Glass = Arse), basically referring to when someone’s confidence goes they shit themselves.

However, I’ve also seen it suggested the origins are from glass blowing (if you dont get it right the glass deforms and so is thrown away) or from losing a game or bet and having to buy the opponent a bottle of wine.

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So basically you can just make up any explanation you like :+1:t4:

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https://x.com/millar_colin/status/2045915031850586145?s=61&t=VxX1vHU3NOwwNhlbyICG-g

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Idiot Rooney thinks THIS Everton will draw against THIS City

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From Wiktionary…

From Cockney rhyming slang bottle and glass, originally meaning arse. Lose one’s nerve was vulgarly lose one’s arse, euphemised to lose one’s bottle, clipped to bottle and subsequently given a dummy pronoun.

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https://x.com/sportingintel/status/2045978468534354306

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https://x.com/footballontnt/status/2046129276647280967

If Arsenal and Man City win all their remaining Premier League games the title would be decided on goal difference (currently only one goal separates them).

If that’s level, the team with the most goals scored this season will be crowned champions (currently only two goals separate them).

If that’s level the side with the superior head-to-head record has the advantage… that would be Man City.

It looks like the origin isn’t entirely clear (Oxford entry here):

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/bottle_n3#16303416

Often these phrases are either from working class slang (particularly Cockney Rhyming Slang) or military slang.

I had always assumed that bottle referred to courage gained from the consumption of alcohol (also known as ā€œDutch courageā€) and hence losing one’s bottle (of alcohol) meant that one lost one’s courage. However, there doesn’t appear to be much evidence for that.

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To be honest, that was always my assumption too

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