Unfortunately you have missed the point and gone off on the usual tangent of racism being the only factor.
You propose positive discrimination - employment not on talent or merit, or dedication but based upon the colour of someone’s skin.
I illustrated that if that becomes accepted or even mandated practice, then it would have to apply to football. All sports in fact.
The overseas influx you mention is, by definition a nationality thing, not a skin colour thing.
So in order to balance “the workforce” who loses their jobs? Or who does not progress through the ranks? Football though was just one example where organisations would be forced to fill roles, not with the most talented but by their colour.
Now apply this to say the NHS, or the Railways, or the defence forces. or teaching etc etc. Who loses their jobs because they are the wrong colour to fit into diversity quotas. Which talented people are overlooked or sidelined because of diversity targets? This is why it failed before - Because it builds resentment and that is no way to balance an unjust society
Again this is another unspecific, superficial and impractical misjudged fantasy, rooted in the politics of envy and a breeding ground for resentment and low morale.
That is a very dangerous and counter productive path to walk.
Why are there so many Black musical artists? Because they are bloody good at what they do - the cream rises to the top.
You clearly haven’t read or understood anything I’ve said, and are purposefully trying to be argumentative, so I’ll back out here and leave you to nurse your white fragility.
Except to say…
This idea of black people being naturally great at music (‘They’ve got natural rhythm’, ‘They’re all good at singing’) is a tired racist trope that should have died out in the seventies. It’s tragic to see it alive and well in 2022.
Sorry to jump in. Not sure how that’s racist. I’ve been part of a few informal gatherings here. Just a drink or after a kick around when I growing up. (Also, when there’s trouble unfortunately but that’s another topic.) The singing and chanting is incredible and often completely made up on the spot with everyone naturally catching on in moments. To say there’s a natural rhythm that somehow a group of unconnected individuals cotton onto is pretty accurate, at least here.
You see it all over; work gangs, a group of maids going about cleaning, a bunch of youths just walking home. I found that comment quite strange. Different societal view points I guess.
It’s important to claim that everybody is identical under the skin. Anything else is racist. Ahem.
Black sprinters, white swimmers, zero chinese basketball players etc etc etc. Oh and Kenyan long distance runners. But we’re all identical, no question.
I’m always a little baffled when a certain racial group being lauded, or derided, about a certain sport or activity is described as being racist. I mean, it is what it is right? It can’t be racist to say that Indians haven’t made a mark on world football because, well… they’re pretty shit at it. I’m half Indian so I can very well make that remark. Indians are not that good at football, it is what it is. A billion of us around the world haven’t made a mark on the game. Neither are we particularly good at rugby. Tough.
So the same goes for other groups and their aptitude, or lack thereof, in whatever field or activity. It’s just the way it is, innit. All this rather inane ideas of what racism is rather dilutes what the real fucking problem is; i.e. A rich old Afrikaner selling his property via another agent for lower rather than take my clients offer because I’m mixed race and my client is black which directly affects my ability to make a living or the masses still living in squatter camps and townships more than 30 years on after Mandela’s release because education in this country still isn’t equal while further afield, for example, African Americans are being disproportionately policed and governed compared to their fellow citizens while white supremacists being given license to spew hatred under the guise of free speech. That’s racism untouched and the real problem.
I get your point, and I shouldnt have been so flippant in my previous post. However, my objection is you are treating this being a small thing from a moment in time, rather than a pervasive systematic effect that is still felt today.
It is not at all clear what should or needs to be done to address institutionalized racism, a historical lack of opportunity for non-white kids that creates big demographic inequality that is passed on from generation to generation, and the trickle down of all of this that permeates into people’s attitude as subconscious bias (I’m only used to seeing white guys as the head of a big company so Im unable to take this application from this black woman seriously despite her clear credentials). But it does start with not dismissing how pervasive and pernicious it is and acknowledging it as something that needs active work to turn the tide on.
And yes, especially in a classist society like the UK, that does mean some form of the same for disadvantaged white working class communities.
“This idea of black people being naturally great at music (‘They’ve got natural rhythm’, ‘They’re all good at singing’) is a tired racist trope that should have died out in the seventies. It’s tragic to see it alive and well in 2022.”
Oh FFS
There goes the accusation of racism - what a surprise. It’s laughable.
Here’s a true story for you -
When I was 16 I fell crazy in love with a local girl. We dated a while - she had a lovely family who made me feel part of their family. I still see them now.
One evening her Father came to me and said -
" Jon I must tell you that I have been asked a number of times why I am allowing my daughter to date someone of “mixed race?” (other terms were used - words I do not wish to write here)
He defended me and her to the hilt telling them to judge me on my character not my skin colour and basically telling them to fuck off, she could date who she wanted. The romance did not last but our friendship did. He later was my Best Man at my wedding - his daughter did my wives make-up on the day.
"I loved him for that.
He introduced me to Elvis music (see that icon above?) and Ray Charles and Howlin Wolfe and BB King and so many more. We went to the ministry of The Rev Al Green in Memphis and sang Gospel songs in his church.
I miss him.
My comment was a compliment to Black artists who have been the soundtrack of my life. They shaped the music I love.
Realising that we have posters here who staunchly refuse to acknowledge this is a problem is one of the more unpleasant experiences I’ve had on this forum.
What about the one you deleted asking for even a single piece of evidence of institutionalized racism? I get that you deleted it, and so seemingly thought better of it, but to even ask that question is incongruent with what you are suggesting in this post.
You again realise you’re slightly biased on this subject? Anybody who is employed as a spotter at protest marches is going to have a slightly “coloured” (oh the irony) view.
Without googling, pretty sure knife crime is mainly exhibited in shall we say a certain culture?