Religion in all its Forms

They are not there to hassle you though,they are there to talk to you.If you have no interest other to break down their beliefs then let them on their way.

I remember one of them wanted to talk to me about evolution. He was starting from a flawed premise and continued to get the basics wrong. I considered the ensuing dismantling of his argument a service to him.

Iā€™m happy to talk to them. But when they say something factually untrue, itā€™s only fair to point it out.

I think a bit of challenge is useful sometimes even for the faithful.

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Iā€™ve had many of these people come to my door and they all started with telling me who they are.If you are at the point of discussing evolution then you have spent more time with them than someone who has no interest needs to.
Maybe you just need to learn how to say no.

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These days most of us already know something of what the otherside believes so isnā€™t your agenda already set at discrediting them from the outset.
I know iā€™m already on the best deal for gas and electricity out there but when an alternative firm knocks on my door i donā€™t feel the need to tell them their deal is shite.

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Letā€™s hypothesise that 2 people come to your door to sell you United season tickets. Would you say no and close the door or laugh your cock off at them using evidence? If youā€™d rather close the door, why are you debating on a forum? Belief in a god should have no protection from legitimate criticism when approached.

Sorry if this bruises a few egos. The global pandemic also had a hand in it.

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Thatā€™s why itā€™s called ā€œfaithā€. Iā€™ve seen the good and bad sides of religion. I was born to an Irish Catholic Mum and a Scottish Protestant Dad. Dad wasnā€™t that fussed about religion but Mum brought us up as Christians. We were baptised as Anglican and Mum instilled morals into us. Although she never attended church, she encouraged us to go and I went regularly as a child with my Sisters.
One afternoon when I was eighteen I came home from work to find my Sister crying in the front room. I asked what the matter was but she just pointed to the kitchen. I went to the kitchen to find Mum crying. I feared the worst and thought something had happened to Dad. I only found out when everyone stopped crying that Mum had answered the door earlier to our new parish priest. He introduced himself and asked if we were Catholic? Mum explained that when she married Dad (a Protestant) she was ā€˜kicked outā€™ of the church and told never to go back. Sheā€™d never gone to church from that day. The priest, Father Kevin Byrne was appalled and said Mum could attend his church. Mum asked when she could give her confession? Fr Byrne took it there and then. The tears Mum was crying were tears of relief after over 40 years of her not being able to attend church.
Mum died 18 months later. But in those 18 months she was a whole new woman. Although sheā€™d always been a happy Mum, she took it up a notch. She passed away while getting ready to attend church on a Sunday morning. Knowing how happy she was in those 18 months gives us as a family so much comfort. :nerd_face:

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This is a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing. :+1:

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And if they continued to assert that their deal is the best, and that you could only achieve true happiness on their deal, and then said that if you stay on your current deal you are going to hell (sorry, the analogy fell apart there) you might have something to say?

Iā€™m very live and let live with religion. I donā€™t really care as long as you leave me alone. Iā€™m not being an arsehole with it. I just think if people knock on your door wanting a chat about god, then itā€™s fair game. I enjoy the conversation, and Iā€™ve never been anything less than civil.

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You know thatā€™s not gonna happen .when they next come to your door and they say hello ,weā€™re from ā€œinsert religion hereā€ tell them your happy out,thank you and goodbye.You could even do as i do and tell them your wife usually deals with this stuff and sheā€™s not inšŸ˜‚

Like I say, I enjoy the discussion.

Usually itā€™s the missus telling me to stop it and come back in the house :joy:

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Completely agree, coming from someone who considers themselves religious.

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I enjoy the dismantlement and annihilation. I want tears.

Richard Rohr: ā€œI have nothing to prove and nothing to protect. I am who I am and that is enoughā€

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Which is how everyone should really be.
But are not allowed to be.

Iā€™m allowed to be who I want to be? Not if it disadvantages / harms other people. I see no harm in discussing truth (that which comports with demonstrable reality) with people who believe things which cannot be proven to be true.

On a slightly different note, I never got the concept of going to holy places to get some kind of special benefit. Iā€™ve been to Lourdes, Fatima, Jerusalem and Bethlehem. The numbers of people there whoā€™re ill, disabled, seriously mangled etc was incredible. What kind of a twisted god would only heal people who had the money to travel???

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Have you read the God hates Amputees stuff?

God is brilliant at healing non-defined medical conditions or stuff which occasionally just goes away anyway. Heā€™s not that great at growing back limbs.

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