Russian War Crimes (Part 1)

We were obviously talking about different things ; you were referencing his manifesto pledge , I was talking about the announcement.

Regardless , you still maintain that pledge won the 2015 election for Cameron , and I would still beg to differ. Cameron made that pledge to see off a challenge from the Tory right. The election he subsequently won had more to do with Labour parachuting in an uncharismatic , and frankly unelectable, leftist leader in Ed Milliband and the collapse of the Lib Dems after the ignominy of being in coalition with the Tories , than it ever did with a more general desire to cut ties with Europe.

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Yeah, because the largest turnout in UK political history with 17.5m people voting to leave the EU the very next year doesn’t suggest it would have been a factor…

It was that pledge that was, as you put it

That came ahead of the 2015 GE. The 2017 GE took place AFTER the EU referendum had already happened.

Yeah , and in that election May won with a reduced majority , like I originally said.

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Lads, really, take it to the UK politics thread. It just seems kinda tasteless to be discussing Brexit here with all that’s going on.

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She wasn’t elected on the promise of holding a referendum on membership of the EU though, that was 2 years earlier :man_facepalming:

The 2017 GE returned 80% vote in favour of parties promising to implement that referendum result.

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Agree 100%

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I suspect Russia hopes there will be a Cease Fire on their terms before that:

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They could hardly say they were just going to ignore ‘the voice of the people’ could they ?

To back up a bit , your contention was that the referendum was a winning electoral asset for the Tories. In both 2015 and 2017 , I’ve said why I think it wasn’t. (Labour’s shit candidates basically.)

Going further back , my original argument was that without Russian disinformation (this is the Russia thread after all) and support for the Leave Campaign , Brexit might never have even been achieved.

This historic landslide vote that you are touting was actually nothing of the sort.

"As of March 2022, 49 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 39 percent who thought it was the right decision. " • Brexit opinion poll 2022 | Statista