By running out, I assume they mean long term and that they will be out in a few weeks and not days.
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It hasn’t stopped otherwise reasonable people from repeating it ad nauseum however. It just goes to show how susceptible people who get their news primarily from right wing sources are to Kremlin propaganda.
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Everyone looks for evidence that supports their beliefs.
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More from the Fox News - Kremlin echo chamber. It doesn’t matter just how stupid this shit gets , you can bank on Fox to amplify it.
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There is that, but also, that agreement was 30 years ago. Politics, attitudes, loyalties change a hell of a lot in that space of time, so how can you expect an agreement made then to be held without any sort of review and adjustment?
At the end of the day, Ukraine is an independant sovereign state and has the right to decide what alliances it wants to join and Russia can’t do diddly squat about it - it is nopt their choice to make, so in the end Putin needs to put on his big boy pants and suck it up.
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If that ever happens, we’ll see how the US respond. In the meantime there is the historical precedent of the Cuban Missile Crisis, during which the Kennedy administration did everything in its power to avoid war. Putin, the cunt did the exact opposite.
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The big difference between Finland and/or Sweden joining NATO and Ukraine joining is that 1 of the key conditions is that a country can’t be involved in armed conflict or civil war. With Ukraine having issues in regards to Crimea and the Donbas region, it was a non-starter.
That was why I made the suggestion a while back about Ukraine giving up those areas, but on the condition they get immidiate membership to NATO which many on here said was not possible
Just to be clear: I don’t condone any of the atrocities which have been committed. Putin is a fucking stain on humanity, and what he does here is inexcusable.
But I also call out NATO’s hypocrisy. Just an example: as we speak, around 60% of Lybia’s population still suffers from malnutrition because of the civil war which followed NATO’s invasion there in 2011. Ten years have gone by since, nobody talks about it anymore, but around 4 from a total of 6 million people still suffer in their bodies from this stupid, inhumane war. Lybia, although a dictatorship, was a rich country before 2011, very comparable to European standards in terms of education and economic metrics. Now, it’s not much more than a civil-war-torn heap of rubble. With the benediction of NATO states who have done nothing to address this horrible situation.
So, whenever I hear representatives of NATO states talk about a lack of humanity when looking at how Russia wages war, I always take it with a large pinch of salt. I just know that whenever it will suit NATO, they won’t hesitate to redo an Iraq, an Afghanistan or a Lybia somewhere else.
That was the whole point of my previous posts, not to excuse what’s happening now, which is as said inexcusable.
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FIFY!
Well that’s not true they can invade. For the rest of Russias neighbours and potential neighbours and for that matter anyone else this should be of major concern. Particularly those that like a bit of freedom as they seem to lock up an awful number of people who contest the brainwashing line.
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Cool with me if on the other hand people would stop rewriting history just to make the point that Putin is worse. Kind of goes both ways. There’s no need for it, what’s going on right now is enough and speaks for itself.
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Well said mate. If you take an critical eye to the information being put out there all of it is pro-Ukraine. The narrative that Russia is taking heavy losses and Ukraine is unscathed simply makes zero sense.
Only months or years will the true scale of casualties become somewhat clear.
Revisionism is another, should be, no no.
That’s not true though is it, it’s that Ukraine, from our perspective, is winning the propaganda war.
We get tonnes of stuff about devastated Ukrainian towns and villages, refugee stories … these are losses as well and far exceed any losses Russia has taken imo.
But yes on a military level it’s clear Ukraine is suffering more than what we ‘actually’ see. This is called propaganda and is meant as a demoralising tool against the enemy as much as a feel good for Ukraines supporters. It’s like everything that’s said a dose/measure of salt is always required.
Even so what Ukraine has implemented strategically is quite phenomenal and the execution has been fantastic, I’ve been impressed with their tenacity.
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Revisionism or rewriting history are too strong words for what’s being said on this forum, although a few sentences have kind of pissed me off tbh, but that’s my problem. In the end I do feel like it often ends up as arguments between people who are all well intentioned and as far as I can tell there are no real disagreements on the situation right now and Putin’s disgusting crimes and lies anyway. Just my two cents.
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Fair point, but Ukraine has also shown that the Russian army is not the force it once was.
How would they cope if they were trying to send troops into Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Armenia all at the one time? They would be fucked and now the whole world knows this.
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Right now it feels like Russia’s military is a load of branches and Ukraine is a wood chipper.
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This is an excellent post, and the final sentence is 100% accurate. 