Russian War Crimes (Part 1)

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A lot of salt needed for this claim. It uses only the photographic confirmed losses list. Personally, I am convinced Ukraine’s army is heavily degraded. Fortunately, Russia seems even heavier degraded (yet their armies and reserves larger). Ukraine does not tell us much of its own losses, they are not as heavily photo documented as the Russian ones are. Information warfare (which Ukraine is winning by a large margin) is a thing. So be vigilant and skeptical of the most rosy of analyses. Sometimes they are based on faulty assumptions and are too positive.

Just my 5 Kroner.

Edit: What I mean here, is that by the end of the Winter War, Finland had far more artillery than when it started out due to capturing Soviet artillery. Even so, it had to sue for peace in the end, it’s armies heavily degraded and exhausted. Too much optimism is never wise imo.

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Yes… Sorry, I was unaware of that side of the argument.

I do believe you are right that no missiles were sold to Ukraine… only to other NATO countries which then makes Ukraine’s bid for NATO membership troublesome.

In Poland where I am right now… Most people hate Putin but also equally believe there was at least some foreign meddling.

There was foreign meddling by both US and EU. But one must remember that the Ukrainians themselves wanted that meddling, so the meddling was in many ways of their own choice. They want to be a member of the EU and also NATO. Before this war, they stood a very good chance at eventually becoming an EU member but stood in reality no chance at becoming a NATO member. Now, if they survive, they will become an EU member and the argument of not letting them into NATO to not piss of Russia is no longer that important due to the new Cold War unleashed by Russia’s invasion. The cards the Russian held, which were really good, are now not at all as good after they actually invaded. There is less incentive now in the West to please Russia than before the invasion.
The real reason Ukraine is invaded is because Putin concluded that it was lost to the “Russian Sphere of Interest” (or domination if you will). There was no real threat of Ukraine joining NATO (many countries would have vetoed it, see Germany, Italy, France with friends) , but joining the EU and the Western Market was too much for Russia to stomach. So it , or really Putin, chose war.

This is at least how I have understood it based on all that I have read and heard.

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Not that I think Ukraine will be allowed to join NATO. I think that is still a bridge too far. Besides, Zelensky already publicly given it up (which he should rather have done in negotiations with Russia later on ideally imo ).

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Still those long tables. :rofl: Perhaps that’s where he got the idea?

Sorry but it’s time the Swiss did some lifting for once - you can afford to absorb 300,000 refugees from your European neighbours. May just need to recalibrate some of your tax policies and Canton restrictions.

Isn’t western europe part of NATO?
Sick of whataboutism, we’re talking about europe here, no?

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Why care? As long as the crazy animal has the bombs, no one is going to mess.

The US/NATO/whoever can pile all the soldiers, conventional and non-conventional weapons they want in Ukraine but to what end? I feel this is primarily for the internal (captive?) audience and the last hurrah of a despot whose time and legacy are rotting away. The fact that this has backfired so clearly will hopefully push things along…

Frankly I find it a bit absurd (more scary) that people will believe Ukraine becoming a NATO member precipitated this and then
use that as a crutch to ignore/smudge over the moral dilemma that Russia started a war - a war.

Sadly the crazy animal is no longer a healthy fox, but rather a rabid and spiteful one that will likely meet an end sooner rather than later.

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If this happens, Sweden will follow in sync. These countries have been promised access decades ago and are fully integrated in NATO when it comes to the military angle. The only negative here, is that if this happens, there will be a global outrage by Ukraine and those who have taken their cause dear to heart, as many will not be able to perceive the difference between Finish/swedish membership and that of Ukraine. That outrage will be unfortunate and based on lack of understanding, but it will be a powerful one:

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Two months ago, there was no pathway to NATO membership for Ukraine. I am not so sure that is the case any more. It would require an end to these hostilities, and that end process might in itself dictate against that membership. But the NATO members who were resistant to see Ukraine join were against the idea largely because they saw it as a provocation that might lead to a conflict like this. That is now a moot point.

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I agree that things have changed. Look at my post above. But I still think it is unlikely. Yet, as I said, incentives to not piss of RU has vaporised pretty much due to the scale of the invasion.

Problem issue is contested territory. Such as Crimea. Hard to gain access then.