law. Creation, distribution or posession of sexual deepfakes all come under the same law, Would be interesting to see how the law would be used to interptret grok and twitter postings of A.I generated deepfakes and exactly who is deemed to have broken the law?
Unless the ban happens globally, I am not even sure it will work, as the ban could be circumvented via VPN.
What proportion of people will use vpn though?
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I actually thought this thread was for recommendations to the Mods on who they should kick out of the forum next 
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Whoād you vote for?
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While weāre asking questions @ISMF , why does the counter almost always show one more unread message than there actually are?
Or seemingly like TAN. As said, how many people will go out of their way to use a VPN for news. Nuddy images, maybe, but not boring old news.
The value of X and the like isnāt freedom of speech. Itās forcing people to listen.
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the answer is still a Yes 
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A pretty compelling piece of evidence to add to the discussion
No matter how bad you thought the Grok comments referenced were, they were worse
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Iām sure this point has been made but thereās a lot to read back over ā¦ we get some excellent and timely info in the Iran thread, and also the Russia thread, and Magnus in particular has curated some good information that he then distils for the benefit of the forum.
I donāt know if that sort of stuff is as available on other platforms?
Iām not personally on X but I do benefit when stuff like that happens.
Overall Iām not in favor of censorship, but we are getting to a place where it is such a cesspit that banning is a valid conversation to have. I would imagine if and when the decision to ban comes about, other platforms wonāt be too far behind, such is the extremist way things are going in the broken information system we have.
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Itās a cesspool for general politics but as you say itās not bad for other stuff as the Iranian thread has shown.
Muskās attempt to control his AI bot also seems to end up in amusing things.
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I observed this somewhat; it was Arsenal fans who started it and wrote and initiated these terrible posts. Sigh, I mean, Iām sure every club has its share of obnoxious fans, but these ones are truly awful.
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Grok isnāt reliable for anything advanced.
Case in point:
Serious people donāt use Grok for anything advanced. His database is literally twitter, which means that if there is noise (i.e. trolls posting disinformation that gets a lot of traction), Grok has a tendency to first go for the answer most people think is the answer. You have to correct and help him, since his noise pollution filter is absurdly bad.
In this case, I knew who the man on the picture was very well, but I didnāt know his name. I had to google for Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Aerospace Force - Wikipedia to remember his name, since I donāt have perfect memory.
Itās not an argument to ban twitter at all imo, itās an argument to learn information literacy and media literacy and be careful on Twitter with re-tweets and etc.
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In general, people who ask Grok questions are fools (not always). It literally makes no sense to ask Grok a question which wiki can give you in 10 seconds. My opinion, anyway.
Grok is a terrible AI query bot and will remain a terrible AI query bot for the forseeable future. Donāt rely on him.
However, you can use Grok, but then you have to know a bit more about information literacy (i.e. you can ask him an advanced question, and then he gives you something to google and read). But you must always google and corroborate after having used Grok. Itās not as hard as people think, itās just an extra necessary step. But it is a necessary step. That many donāt take these necessary steps isnāt an argument to ban Twitter, it is an argument to read more and do the ABC steps in information literacy instead imo.
The argument for banning twitter because of information literacy failure, is just the same as banning people to vote who does not know what they are voting for. Fact is, these days, a vast swathe of the population are so ignorant about politics that they probably shouldnāt vote. Same for Twitter users, but I donāt want to take responsibility for them. I want rather the focus be on improving media and information literacy in the public than banning something that can be dangerous for some.
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As I said itās amusing to watch what it comes out with.
Wouldnāt trust it at all. I personally left a while back missed it for polling but not much nowadays.
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No one should. I can ask Grok (I think I have used Grok only 3-4 times) a question, he gives me something to google in his answer. I google, I then know more. But multiple AIās, such as Microsoft Copilot, are quite good (payed version), but they too gives sometimes incorrect information (microsoft copilot gave me an answer about placement in the Dewey system of a book that really helped me, but I still had to use Web Dewey to corroborate, and it turned out it was wrong placement even if it lead me to the correct path and so indeed, helped me) and they too must always be corroborated.
That some people use any AI, even the good ones, without corroborating is absurd to me personally, but here we are. AI is a tool, not your actual source. It is a tool to use to send you to the sourceā¦
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Oh I agree look Iām more based in academia I know Grok and AI tools should be a help not the answer
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On a side note, I actually support a clampdown of Twitter by the EU (hoping they will do this), forcing Musk to fight disinformation, or lose access to EUR.
Because if it becomes illegal, the sources I use would go to another platform and it would force change (which I am super supportive of to say the least, since twitter is awful compared to how it used to be).
But that is rather extremely different to individual forums banning it and decreasing information gathering and sharing (has no effect on Musk and will not change Twitter or bring forth an alternative).
So I am kind of on your team, but it has to be on a multinational/transnational level, or it only becomes self sabotage, decreasing access to information, instead of actually forcing change and improving quality of information. Musk has so much cash, only the coming EU ruling on Ethics and AI will have an effect (I strongly, strongly hope it will clamp down). But an apple is not a rock so this is not the same as some users speak of regarding forum ban (which I am obviously strongly against).
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