@ the other @moderators maybe time to have a word with TANs moralizer/dictator.
Guest list plus one please @Cologne-Liverpool
Oh no we don’t
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This isn’t an argument, this is just contradiction!
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What?
I thought we were doing this 
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Rumbled
I don’t think they do… 
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It varies.
In general negative and much more negative than in Germany, since we do not suffer their brand of shame, which they still struggle psychologically to remove in their heads (and which is why we are having this conversation in the first place).
As an example: Bekloppts hostility to patriotism as a term, is not representative for even the Norwegian far left and feels alien to us. It more invokes a sense of pity (as in “poor you to think that way, but I can understand why”) than anything else.
Didn’t know @Bekloppt was German.
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Point taken.
Anyway, I was just trying to answer a question. He asks them with such innocence, which leads me to explain and use comparisons to highlight what I mean. Mentioning Bekloppt was just something I grabbed hold of since he expressed deep-held opinions on the matter. It’s not criticism.
But point taken about nationality etc.
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I’m confused myself.
I’m Anglo-Irish, have lived 33 years in Berlin and now in the process of moving to Australia.
I think Magnus is mentioning me because I stated a distaste for nationalism. Apparently, this means that I am a foolish person who would be the object of ridicule in Norway.
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Fuck me- I didn’t mean it like that. It was void of personal meaning as such.
But it’s my own fucking fault, I worded it beyond retarded and I understand why it comes across like this. It seems I am particularly stupid today, as I didn’t intend to write anything to push anyone away or make anyone feel uncomfortable.
Stupid fucking idiot. I can sometimes be a stupid fucking idiot…
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Nah Man, it’s all good. I was just pulling your leg.
It’s one of the reasons I’m so proud to be British. We have the world’s greatest sense of humour
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Thank you.
I mean, I still worded it idiotic, but thanks for not taking offence.
Edit: Anyway, I mentioned you because you have previously given me the impression of being ingrained in German culture, while stating your distaste for patriotism (I have a distaste for nationalism too, it’s a bit more complicated). I foolishly used you for comparison. No, you would not have been an object of ridicule. Sigh, but your equation of patriotism with nationalism is not generally accepted in Norway as the same. We think it odd and generally to be a German contemporary cultural trait. And sure, there is often a sense of pity when Norwegians speak about German inability to feel any sort of pride, where only flags are acceptable on football matches and etc.
At the same time, as an oddity, it is also funny to some of us, since Germans on holidays are infamous for taking up a lot of space 
Come off it, Craig. You’re not fooling anyone, mucker.
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It’s complicated WAH.
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We all know he is secretly a Saffa possing as an Aussie 
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No need to feel pity. And isn’t the whole point for patriots that there’s something unique as in not all countries/nations/people are the same, have their own history/culture/attitudes?
Without writing an essay, the problematic nature of Germany as a nation state isn’t even a post 2 World Wars phenomenon (though obviously that didn’t help at all), you can find sketpticism and critique for that and the movements associated with that in e.g. Heine or Schiller, it’s older than the de facto nation state itself. So I find myself in decent company.
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You, me, Heine, Schiller, Slime usw..
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