Not in my opinion. Emery had done quite a lot of work getting rid of the deadweight by then. I give arteta credit for seeing through.
But give Emery 750m and he would have built a team which would have won the league by now.
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He was there for 1 year and not only did he not do anything meaningful there he was not very involved in those personnel decisions in his time
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Did manage to sideline Ozil etc etc. The point is that Arsenal allowed Arteta the time when they didn’t give Emery that time.
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Emery both made him Captain and then later publicly fell out with him, but made no moves to move him on. It was not until Arteta came in that he and Edu committed to sweeping out all the highly paid underperforming players, even at big expense to Arsenal, to give them room to grow as a proper team.
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wasn’t the next step there to move on from him.? Again Emery didn’t get that time. Sure he made him captain. Who else was there at that point of time ?
So Arteta doesnt get credit for making the tough decisions he did because we imagine Emery would have done the same thing he chose not to do but might have later down the line?
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Did Emery get the time needed to make that decision?
Emery would have made Arsenal into a better club than Arteta. I’ll stick by that.
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Arteta has spent serious money and to date matches Ten Haag in his achievements. One FA Cup.
He didn’t address the gaping hole of a problem at centre forward. He thought Jesus/Havertz would get the goals to win a PL. Imagine that…
He took a one hundred million pound playmaker and made him second fiddle to Partey . Rice was much more effective under Moyes. That says a lot.
Klopp won things at Liverpool with much less outlay. Arteta is a poundshop Guardiola and will be gone in the summer. They will try to get Klopp, he wont come…Allegri will be next on the list, but the owners will reckon they’ve spent enough already.
And by the way…
Saka being compared to Salah is a fucking travesty. Its like comparing Mick the singer in the Irish bar in Benidorm with David Bowie. One is the King, one is a fucking poor pretender.
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They will grab Ancelotti for 3yrs… We know he will go anywhere
Arteta is clearly a really, really good manager. It’s interesting that they were going to appoint him when Wenger left, but suddenly changed tack and went for Emery. I wonder what would have happened if they’d stuck to the original plan?
You don’t get three consecutive second place finishes without being really good, I don’t care how much he’s spent - that’s no guarantee of success.
But he has some odd blind spots. His refusal to really go for the jugular, both in game and longer term. Turning the team into a weirdly boring set piece machine which isn’t particularly sustainable, and he comes across as not particularly emotionally stable, like the pressure seems to really get to him. I think like his mentor he might just be a bit of a weirdo.
In the midst of this, as I’ve said before, I think there is a lot of believing their own hype going on at the Emirates. I think the hardest step in football is going from a really good team to a truly great one, and too many people around Arsenal - the players, the staff, the fans, the journalists - seem to have ended up think that at some point it would just be their turn to win the league, and that final step would just happen.
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Has it ever been clarified as to why Edu left Arsenal last year, given how the project with Arteta seemed to be working, it seemed a bit sudden?
I think they likely needed to see Emery fail with the legacy players they had previously bet the house on to allow the “cleaning house” strategy to go through. And without that approach any manager would have failed. SO I think in that case you see a novice manager “failing” with no big project being undertaken to use to mitigate the poor results, he’d have been turfed out in around the same time frame (season and a bit) as Emery was.
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Bigger job (in scope, not prestige) and presumably more money
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I think Arteta also got some what lucky with some of those older players walking out on their contracts. His cleaning house could have stalled had PEA and Willian stuck around to see their contracts out.
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At that point Arsenal had already been paying off players to terminate their contract and just go away. Ozil, Mustafi and one other I dont remember were all done in his first summer window. The stink that put on those players seemed to encourage the likes of PEA and Mkry to take seriously offers that gave them a respectable exit.
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Should have doesn’t count in football/PL. Otherwise, we would have won two more league titles under Klopp.
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There are two types of game where points are dropped: those where you haven’t been good enough (including, but not limited to, missed chances, defensive lapses and goalkeeping errors), and those where you have been robbed by the refs.
There are, of course, games where both reasons are applicable.
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He also had some of his power stripped as Arteta was given more responsibility
After being Hammered by West Ham, Arsetita insist that mathematically it is still possible for Arsenal to finish at the top.
Mathematically! Yeah, mathematically 15 teams, including West Ham at number 16, are still in the running to take the title. 
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That’s a good point and reminds me this would be a great point to see the return of the ‘bin’ thread where we put those teams who mathematically can’t finish ahead of us in the bin. Can’t recall who used to do it - was it @FowlersLeftPeg ? But we could get it back just in time to bin ManUtd if done quick…
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