The Corona Pandemic

Extremely odd.

You are at it again. You would swear black was white to make a point. The fact is AZ have said they can only supply about 40 % of the ordered amount in the time agreed it is as simple as that. As the EU and AZ are meeting today to try to explain production problems I think it is fair to assume that all approvals have been given.
I would like to point out that I am delighted that the UK are getting their full quota and doing well at getting people vaccinated. I have a lot of family over there who are in greater need than I am. A brother in law with bone marrow cancer, a daughter with COPD and a son and a 19 yo grandson with Asthma, amongst others.

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They is a shit fight going on between the UK, EU and the vaccine companies. Let’s try not to have a re-enactment here.

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If we have a re enactment do we have to dress up in National dress and wave flags and pretend to shoot people ? :slight_smile:

It will all get sorted soon enough. No one has any option.

It’s not really that simple though. I suggest you read through the Curevac APA.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/curevac_-_redacted_advance_purchase_agreement_0.pdf

That would be a false assumption. Here, from the horse’s mouth on Monday (25 January 2021)

You know that AstraZeneca’s vaccine is currently in the final stages of the approval process with the European Medicines Agency.

If all requirements are met, the European Medicines Agency could recommend market authorisation by the end of this week.

Not yet approved but hopefully it will be soon.

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It isn’t fair to assume that all approvals have been given. The EU still have not approved the AZ vaccine that they are so upset about. That may be imminent, but it has not happened yet. That is a simple matter of fact.

Similarly, if the EU has a hard delivery date in their contract with any of these vaccine producers, it would appear to be the only one anywhere, and they could simply publish the contract. Everyone else seems to have ‘best efforts’ contracts with projected delivery schedules, not contracted just-on-time delivery structures with hourly penalties.

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:flushed:

You thinking of starting a prostitute delivery service?

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Have to remember the golden rule: coffee first, then post.

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In a nutshell, it would appear the EU position with AZ is that a shortfall in initial production at their Belgium plant which was to produce for EU use should be made up by taking production from the UK plant which was to produce for UK use. It is unclear if any exports to the UK have actually happened from AZ Belgium of stock produced to now but not yet usable by the EU.

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Given the strong reaction by the EU, I think they believe (or know?) that stock from Belgium has been exported.

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61% shortfall is grotesque. I say retribution, stop paying these cunts if that doesn’t change anything pull the plug. No more aid, tax relief, contracts. Let these fuckers die.
If it was a 20% shortfall I would see it a bit differently but this this is nasty (maybe even evil) fucking shits!

I’d be very surprised if AZ stock from Belgium had been exported to the UK given the UK based production line. Pfizer stock certainly has though.

Interesting that this AZ production line seperation apparently doesn’t include the Dessau factory in Germany that has been producing for the UK supply.

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Given the numbers delivered to the UK, I am dubious that AZ actually has made any such shipments.

There is a bit of gallows humour seeing European Parliamentarians saying things like there should be “no problem to get the vaccine from the UK to the continent”. As long as they aren’t sandwiches or anything…

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Isn’t Dessau a bottling plant, not a production site?

My understanding from accounts yesterday was that prior to January 1, AZ was sending output from the UK for distribution packaging at Dessau, but now has that facility operational in the UK as well.

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Yes. So seperation is only for production but not the whole manufacturing process? And allegedly the EU contract specifically mentions two production factories in UK, don’t know if that’s true.

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I think that is quite logical and a strong possibility it is true.

However, AZ have said the UK experienced similar issues as to what they are having with the Belgian plant, and just a couple of weeks ago a BBC reporter was saying that a government source told him that the UK had already got all their supplies of vaccinations sorted but didn’t want to say anything publically because they were afraid of reactions by the EU, particularly Germany who may try to stop future deliveries. People’s reactions on social media was that this was the government just continuing its culture war on brexit - but in light of the last couple of days it does beg the question whether this was a comment in regards to deliveries from the belgian AZ plant.

It sounds like AZ’s problem in Belgium is at a very specific point in the process - the production of the viral vector. Just about everything else is interchangeable capacity.

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I’ve just seen that some of the early AZ stock was produced and sent to the UK from Holland and Germany but for ‘some time’ (I couldn’t find out how long) all production and bottling for UK supply has been done in the UK.

Seeing if I can find something reputable/reliable/authoritative to confirm that.

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