The Corona Pandemic

Further evidence that AstraZeneca actually reduces the prevalence of blood clots

Guy in our local bar here in Spain was just telling people how easy it was to drive from the UK through France to get here last weekend. How he did it I do not know . Our area where he obviously has a property, is low in Covid but he had to travel through high risk areas to get here.

In many ways, the real world data we’re starting to see are even better than the trial data.

This week we’ve seen reports of 90% efficacy in reducing infection for Moderna and Pfizer, not just symptomatic disease, as has been the definition of efficacy we’ve been using up to now (as that was the best trials could be designed to test in the required time frame).

BlockquoteThe CDC study included 3,950 people in the U.S. who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine during the height of country’s winter surge, from mid-December to mid-March. All were essential workers, including health care personnel and first responders from six states: Arizona, Florida, Minnesota, Oregon, Texas and Utah.
Two weeks after participants received both of the recommended doses, their risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection was reduced by 90 percent. (People are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after they received their final dose.)
Even the first dose had an effect, reducing infection risk by 80 percent, the study found.

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And as of this morning, I am Pfizered up

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The Netherlands yesterday 65.195 Week total 126.477. Best so far but will it be enough to reach the promised 500.000?

Piss off!

We have enough dodgy cunts of our own, we don’t need any of yours! :wink: :rofl:

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Interesting that the EMA is saying that in the early months of the AZ vaccine being administered across Europe (including the UK) that women made up 2/3rds of those who received the vaccine with a high proportion of younger women (I presume this is the priority healthcare group gender disparity). It therefore produces statistics that look skewed as making young women particularly vulnerable but actually are not above the normal when this disparity is factored in. :thinking:

Apparently there were secret plans to vaccinate all referees on the QT over the weekend… according to a whistleblower

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I hope it was understood I meant ‘non-lockdown’ and not ‘non-pandemic’! :crazy_face:

I want to see what non-pandemic looks like again. being able to go to the bar, have a pint and give some of my friends some hugs. play footy again.

Not a nice fellow is he?

Without knowing the science is the fact does letting the virus run wild increase the chances of mutations? If it does he may have a point.

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Mutations happen all the time, it’s really chance as to whether they’re more contagious or more fatal and, of course, it’s only the more contagious ones that take hold (providing they don’t kill their host too quickly).

The AstraZeneca vaccine is effective against the British variant though so it’s just as well that he hasn’t done anything that could undermine the confidence of the French public in it…

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And as long as we’re being virus racist, it’s really the South African one that’s a shit head.

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This is presumably a typo since we all know it’s only AstraZeneca that ever fucks up. Strange how Pfizer’s dodgy reporting to the FDA is never mentioned.

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Really surprised with the GMP (Good manufacturing practices) cock-up by J&J.

It remains entirely possible the risk is zero as vaccines are not proven to cause the brain clots.

Germany’s Paul Ehrlich Institute has reported 31 cerebral venous sinus thromboses and nine deaths out of 2.7 million people vaccinated there.

However, the most recent UK data reported far fewer clots, just five, despite vaccinating far more people - 11 million.

The European Medicines Agency, which has assessed data from around the world, estimates there is around a one in 100,000 risk of a CVST in people under the age of 60 who have been given the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The organisation’s head of safety monitoring, Dr Peter Arlett, said that was “more than we would expect to see”.

This BBC article is at least explaining the situation using just facts, unlike BBC’s recent spate of ‘Circle the wagons around AZ!’ opinion pieces that would be better placed on the Express front page, but I do find the bold text misleading. There is absolutely no context given in the article about how Germany had been inoculating under 65’s only with AZ since early Feb due to lack of data in the older age group (now flipped to >60 due to this), and therefore will likely have more people inoculated in the age groups that these blood clotting events are mostly being seen in (women <55). The UK have not started (or maybe just started?) under 55’s. True UK have inoculated the under 55’s with co-morbidities, but I don’t think there is publicly facing data on whether they have been given Pfizer or AZ jabs.

I don’t think anyone should be trying to extrapolate the level of risk of blood clots based on UK data that doesn’t even feature the at-risk age cohorts, just as we can’t yet assume there is even a link. Let the science play out.

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To be honest, I am quite relieved that I now have the choice of whether or not to take the risk with AstraZeneca, even if it is a apparently “only” 1: 100,000 likelihood of severe thrombosis. It’s been said that (for the younger women) ,the risk to die from covid is much lower in this age group. Everyone here in Germany (Paul-Ehrlich-Institut and Stiko) tries very hard to answer all questions and uncertainties in detail, and everyone, who is affected can now decide for themselves. Imo we just have to wait and see how the data develops when more younger people are vaccinated with AZ in other countries. But one doesn’t dare to say anything anymore here, because it is immediately interpreted as if it is somehow anti AstraZeneca, or anti British etc, and some seem to take it very personally, that’s really a bit ridiculous meanwhile, because for me it’s not. I just don’t trust the UK media and their data, it’s way too much propaganda for me. But it is what it is.

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This is, again, a misinformed post. Sigh.

I’ve already posted information from the EMA and others that flatly contradicts the hypothesis stated here.