Surely a week is simply not long enough. Sounds like madness
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Is that Singapores timetable ?
Yeah, that answers a lot of questions, and relating to my earlier exchanges with @jaffod and @limiescouse about the usefulness of taking the jab after being infected with covid, here is an excerpt which I found interesting:
Do I need to get the vaccine if I’ve already had Covid-19?
Yes. It’s safe, and probably even beneficial, for anyone who has had Covid to get the vaccine at some point, experts said. Although people who have contracted the virus are believed to have at least some natural immunity, it is too soon to know how long it lasts. People who have had Covid in the past are advised to wait about 90 days after infection before getting the shot.
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Yes, I posted a similar FAQ from the NHS a few weeks ago now.
https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-vaccine.aspx
The whole link is useful but this is the part about having the vaccine if you’ve had covid. Something I specifically posted at the time.
Q. ### Should people who have already had COVID-19 get vaccinated?
A. Yes, they should get vaccinated. There is no evidence of any safety concerns from vaccinating individuals with a past history of COVID-19 infection, or with detectable COVID-19 antibody so people who have had COVID-19 disease (whether confirmed or suspected) can still receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
You can have the vaccine 28 days after you had a positive test for COVID-19 or 28 days after your symptoms started, so you may need to wait.
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Yes the target is actually the whole population by end of 3rd quarter but they are allowing for fluidity of supply issues so year end is still on track but they are hoping to finish earlier in the 3rd quarter.
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@Kopstar @Hope.in.your.heart Interesting. In the US the CDC doesnt give any timeline, but only specifies you should should wait until you are out of isolation. That implicitly says you should get it as soon as you can after you’ve recovered. It does however state you should wait 90 days if you’ve received plasma or antibody Tx.
I wonder if part of the difference in messaging is due to their respective confidence in their ability to meet demand?
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What happens if you have unknowingly had covid less than 28 days prior to getting the jab.
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This discussion really hasn’t gone anywhere, even with more and more experts from all over the world admitting a side effect risk. Today from UK epidemiologist Neil Ferguson (1):
“In terms of the data at the moment, there is increasing evidence that there is a rare risk associated, particularly with the AstraZeneca vaccine but it may be associated at a lower level with other vaccines, of these unusual blood clots with low platelet counts.
“It appears that risk is age-related, it may possible be – but the data is weaker on this – related to sex.
“And so the older you are, the less the risk is and also the higher the risk is of Covid so the risk-benefit equation really points very much towards being vaccinated.
“I think it becomes slightly more complicated when you get to younger age groups where the risk-benefit equation is more complicated.”
Prof Ferguson said the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) were “considering this matter very urgently” but added: “No vaccine, no medicine is risk free – it is always about a balancing equation against risk.”
There is a likelihood of more side effect deaths in under 55’s as more and more of that age group become eligible for vaccination. From the comments above, it might even be that the MHRA may modify their vaccination programme to give the AZ vaccine to over 55’s only. I’ll be interested to see, if that does happen, whether it will change some of the strong opinions on here.
The whole AZ circus is tiring. The entire EU has been accused without evidence of trying to destroy the reputation of AZ, even when the EU threatened court cases to get more of this vaccine they are supposedly trying to destroy the reputation of! It makes little sense. Macron is not the EU. Unfortunately for the French he is the voice of them, but he isn’t for the remaining 380 million people in the EU.
Initially there was no data to show efficacy in older age groups. For some countries, evidence of immune response was enough to go on and that’s fine. Other countries required hard evidence beyond just immune response. And that is fine too. They were both correct.
The evidence points to a very particular side effect from AZ that affects a specific age group and disproportionately affects women. Multiple countries are experiencing this. Evidence suggests that the risk of death ( multiple sources have suggested that even those that don’t die from the side effect are likely to suffer from long term damage) from this side effect in particular age groups is similar to the risk of death from Covid itself. It’s dangerous to ignore that. It would be dangerous to lie to the public about it, knowing that vaccination programmes are going to be needed for years.
AZ will still be central to the vaccine response if we were all honest about the risks, and governments mitigated that risk by inoculating to lower risk groups. And the sooner that shift is made to minimise further side effect deaths, the less likely AZ is constantly in the news about it’s dangers (however low) and turning people off getting vaccinated.
For me, the danger is not in discussing the side effect and reassuring the public, but ignoring it.
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Without evidence only because you consciously choose to ignore it, as you’ve admitted. 
Good Q. I guess you have the vaccine within the 28 day period. There are very few positive cases now (less than 3,000/day) so the asymptomatic cases are also likely to be few and far between.
The Netherlands yesterday; 36.417 jabs, which brings the total for this week too; 440.906. Not the promised 500.000. 
This and next week the family physicians in my region startup, I can make an appointment-call next Friday.
They must have high hopes because the goal for next week will be 624.000 jabs. 
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Our jabs were way down yesterday (partly due to Easter Sunday)
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardClegg522/status/1379062427686428673
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardClegg522/status/1379062422888144899
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardClegg522/status/1379062418215698434
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardClegg522/status/1379062432329519106
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What I mean is what would happen if you had covid and where given the vaccine at the same time?Why is the advice not to be given the vaccine in that 28 day time frame?
Do you become superinfected?
I don’t think the vaccine is going to make you more infected (as I understand it) but I guess getting the vaccine when your body is already producing antibodies may cause an elevated immune response? Don’t know.
This link suggests it may make the vaccine less effective.
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I also don’t believe the whole of the EU has attempted to destroy the reputation of AZ.There are 27 EU countries and Macron does not speak for all of us.When 1,2,3 or 4 EU countries does something controversial you seem to take us as a whole as it helps promote your country.
I don’t always agree with your take on a number of subjects but have always appreciated the time and effort you have put into your arguements as well as the interaction you have regarding those subjects.At times though,the level of EU bashing just takes away from your arguements imo,particularly when you are throwing all 27 countries into the mix.
I get that you have done similar to the UK when they have made mistakes but in this case many individual countries,both eu and non eu(without criticism) temporarily suspended the use of this vaccines as a precaution to protect their citizens.This shouldn’t instantly bring criticism of the eu or individual countries but questions as to how are these things happening,should we be concerned,have we missed something.Most of these countries have now reintroduced it’s use although some with certain restrictions.If it turned/turns out that many people could/would die from not suspending then citizens would have asked why wasn’t the use of this vaccine stopped earlier.I have no doubt you would be one of those asking that question.
Now that similar results have come out of the UK i have noticed a drop off in negative press aimed at the EU from the UK media regarding this.
I don’t believe that all 450+ million people in the EU have attempted to destroy the reputation of AstraZeneca nor is anyone saying that, as you know.
But there are those who purport to speak on behalf of the EU who have definitely maligned AstraZeneca unfairly. Von der Leyen, Charles Michel, Sandra Gallina, Stella Kyriakides, Thierry Breton…all of these are senior EU officials. President of the European Commission, President of the European Council, Chief vaccine procurement negotiator, EU chief health official, and the European Commissioner for the Internal Market respectively.
Now if you feel that these unelected officials don’t speak for you, i can entirely sympathise 
, but they do speak on behalf of the EU.
Then there are the numerous anonymous briefings from EU sources be they described as an “EU official” or “EU diplomat”.
That’s at EU institutional level and before we even get to what the likes of Macron, Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister, “German government sources”, etc have said on an individual member state level.
Incidentally, I’ve never criticised any EU member state for the temporary suspension of the AstraZeneca vaccine roll out. I felt it was an overreaction but understandable that politicians may be primed to be overly cautious with regards to AstraZeneca in a way that they are not with Pfizer. That’s a consequence of what has gone before.
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Doesn’t speak for most French citizens either. 
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