Specifically pfizer. AZ (and perhaps other non mRNA vaccines) seem to be slower to reduce efficacy.
mRNA vaccinations in humans are still in their infancy and it may be that regular booster doses are required alongside SAR-COV2 mutations; or three initial doses or a longer gap between doses is required to maximise efficacy. Equally we may just be unlucky enough that our worldwide disjointed partial vaccination clusterfuck is ensuring we select for the meanest virus variants and we will end up with a super strain that is largely immune to any single vaccination.
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Don’t they start at a lower efficacity?
Lots of questions and hopefully the scientists concerned will find solutions.
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I hate this term “broken”. Changed would be better imo.
If people think the UK situation is all good then a the power to them. I’d argue differently. I still think we’re a long way off. Cases continue to rise despite the “vaccine rollout”
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Yes they are always linked, I suppose it’s a feel good factor that comes into play. This in itself is poor/bad because it encourages people to be even bigger fuckwits than they already are.
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Yeah, “weakened” would have been better.
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I would even accept ‘cut’ by a factor of x or something similar. I like having a number in there as well gives it a ‘factor’ of believeability.
Yes, weakened a better term
We are seeing mass fuckwittery in the UK I think. It’s over by all accounts. vaccines have made us invincible and we’re all singing “vaccine rollout” at our local karaoke.
I think “broken” is a political term. No idea where it cam from but it perfectly fits the open up and ignore strategy of the government right now.
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Wasn’t that the B-side to French Kissin’ (In the USA) by Debbie Harry? 
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I don’t think France is much better unfortuneately. Though Macron is now putting his foot down (something the government should have done a long time ago). I mentionned the ‘Passe Sanitaire’ before and yes I have some concerns and misgivings about it (particularly on gathering of personal information as well as the complete idiots in the front line) however it is getting people to come forward for the vaccin which is so much more important at this time.
Spain has a higher vaccine roll out than the UK now but are also seeing as high, if not higher (per capita), numbers of cases and deaths.
Has Spain fully opened up as well?
Deaths yes, cases no, they peaked, cases, early in the summer and nowhere near the UK numbers.
Overall UK, France and Spain have fairy similar numbers.
I have no idea what spains measures are however my daughter was down in Barcalona last month so travelling around is/was fairly free.
Cases in Spain are falling but according to the FT website, and never got higher than the UK’s 3rd wave peak figure thus far.
Deaths are however higher than the UK and rising at a higher rate as well. They appear to have a situation where cases are falling and deaths are rising. Perhaps they’re not capturing the case load fully? 
I find the overall shapes of the respective graphs fascinating and very damning when looking at the UK’s response.
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I’d really wish that instead of always talking about cases, media reports would focus on hospitalisations, and especially those of vaccinated people vs non-vaccinated, also looking at the age groups. These are the key numbers, but most reports prefer to disinform (and frighten) us by always talking about the number of cases.
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I wouldn’t see the problem of any figures if we were intelligent and a clear context was given, pros and cons spelt out … etc. As you point out this isn’t the case and we end up with good fog or bad fog depending on who’s writing the article.
A figure that would interest me is the percentage of vaccinated people who ‘catch’ the virus and become contagious (just an example) surely this is being studied but I’d have to really dig to find anythig I reckon. Then again that isn’t important to the egeneral public as I said it’s just something that would interest me.
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I’ve got no problem with case numbers provided the testing is adequate because it can give an indication of the direction the virus is taking. I think that’s a valid metric.
the big question mark is understanding what proportion of cases are actually being captured. I agree hospitalisation captures that with little doubt.
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Didn’t they hit a peak of 44,000 daily cases last month, their highest since the pandemic began?
Per capita that’s equivalent to the UK hitting 64,000 cases in one day. The highest we’ve hit this summer is just under 55,000 last month.
Just going by these figures on the FT website
Spain peaked at 57.9 cases per 100k on the 19th July.
2 days later the UK peaked at 71.4 cases per 100k
That’s 27,250 cases vs 47,700 actual cases respectively. After that peak both dropped but the UK seems to be rising again. These figures are a rolling average of course.
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Come on Kopstar your better than that. Spains figures fluctuate enormously so it’s probably due to the way things are done down there. 7 day averages are a better comparison.
Vaccinations in Germany levelling off at around 65% of the population. Not much difference between 1 and 2 jabs now.
Not sure what the policy is there.