Yes, my son had symptoms as did the others. That’s why UKHSA is looking into it as a priority because, as you say, it’s not what you’d expect.
The symptoms don’t necessarily need to relate to covid though. With normal seasonal viral infections rampant now - I’ve got what I think is RVD caught off my daughter who just started nursery 3 weeks ago who has two years of immunities to catch up on - isn’t it quite possible to be infected with covid and another virus which is actually causing the symptoms ?
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Too late for that message do you think? I’m seeing the whole mask wearing slip away here in Wales despite them still being required within shops etc.
Work and schools? It’s just a sniffle, we nearly fell foul of that thinking ourselves to be honest. Little one caught a cold from school, which went through the house and we were debating whether we needed to isolate or not. It shouldn’t have been a debate.
Happened to my wife about 3 weeks ago - we’re in the South East. She felt normal, is double vaxxed. PCR came back negative after positive lateral flow.
here’s a few excerpts from a Statistics Canada report that came out over a year ago. These folks are trying to mandate Vax Passport here in Canada and it’s not going to end well. For the record, I got my vax shots as soon as I was allowed, but that doesn’t mean it should be mandatory for your employment
COVID-19 death comorbidities in Canada (statcan.gc.ca)
Healthy young adults, adolescents and children who contracted the virus have been the least likely to develop severe complications from COVID-19, including death. In fact, 100% of the COVID-involved deaths of Canadians under the age of 45 as of July 31 had at least one other disease or condition certified on the medical certificate of death . The proportion of those with at least one other disease or condition decreases with age, ranging from 93% for those aged 45 to 64 to 89% for those aged 85 years or older.
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Do you mean because you see enough people reacting negatively to it, or because you personally reject the idea of a broad mandate?
I know there are a few state level vaccine mandates in Canada for school, and while there are exceptions those who are exempt would be forbidden from attending school during an outbreak comparable to what we’re seeing now. So I’m not sure how it’s that different, and dont really how the stats you posted, while not really contested, factor in.
I look at it like this, it’s a very broad outlook on things in general
Human population is exploding, at a rate that is outpacing our ability to expand within the confines of a balance in nature. If we saw any other species on earth that was “taking over” at the scale we are, we would find a way to stop it.
I’m a bit of a believer that Nature works in it’s own way to balance things out. every once in a while, it’ll throw a curveball at us to quell our population growth and slow us down. The Black Plague is a significant piece of history that is often overlooked, it took continental Europe almost 200 years to re-populate to pre-plague numbers.
Think back of the past few decades to the various ailments that have happened when humans and animals (domesticated and wild) live in close proximity. Avian and bovine illnesses are becoming more common, and Covid19 is yet another example from an unknown origin, but likely bats.
so all that said (this is just my observations), this virus is just another way of nature culling the sick and the weak like it does with all other species. the strong survive.
if some people want to test their immune system against what mother nature is throwing at them, by all means have a go at it. I got sick, and recovered. I know many others who got sick before vaccination as well. some of those folks don’t believe in putting themselves at risk from an untested vaccination, by one means or another. good for them, I’m not going that route because i believe in science. and if they pay for that decision with their life, then that’s just a bit of Darwinism in full effect…
I’m vaccinated, fully. since July. and wanting a booster before i venture to Mexico in about 4 weeks…
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Leaving the obvious ethical problems aside for a moment - isn’t this virus designed pretty shit from an overpopulation/“Darwinian selection” perspective? It mostly kills old people.
I think there is a wide range of positions that reasonable people can take. I dont think that humanity is a cancer and needs to be culled is in that range,
Even if it was though, I think it’s important to, again, point out it is premised on a faulty premise. This is not about whether you as an individual are willing to roll the dice on your health and mortality. It’s about what you are polluting your community with and the risk you are exposing other to. It is far more akin to regulating toxic waste than it is an issue of medical autonomy.
I’d also question this. What science are you believing in if the vaccine is still “untested”?
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Are you suggesting that nature recommends every nation should have a Boris Johnson as a leader? 
i think that my wording of that section may have been a bit vague, but I have seen a story about an anti-vax preacher who had accumulated quite a following before dying from Covid. I thought it quite ironic.
no, I’m suggesting that nature doesn’t give two shits about who is running a nation. or about nations in general…
I suppose it shouldn’t really matter if you’re vaccinated. If you can still host the virus as a vaccinated carrier, then the vaccine is doing it’s job as it was designed. but the virus is still being transmitted, which means all of the other restrictions (group size, mask, public spaces, etc) are still valid and will continue.
I believe in science, I think that the virus has been in development since 2004-5 when the first SARS hit Asia and thusly it’s considered a safer alternative than testing your natural immunity.
some people have an inherent distrust in government and big business, I cannot speak to their reasoning to exclude themselves from the vaccination process.
@Semmy I don’t really follow any of the arguments there.
Vaccinated people are greatly protected against getting sick and even transmitting it to someone else, but the risk is not zero. And the unfortunate reality is that the more people refuse them the less effective the vaccine becomes at protecting against those things. So yes, it absolutely does matter whether people get vaccinated.
that’s the key word here. I have no arguments with you. people will believe what they will. I have some beliefs, I’m not asking you to debunk them.
however…on the topic if the virus being transmitting by vaccinated people I suggest you read this from John Hopkins University:
data is based off these findings by the CDC: referenced in the report linked in that JHU release.
During July 2021, 469 cases of COVID-19 associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, were identified among Massachusetts residents; vaccination coverage among eligible Massachusetts residents was 69%. Approximately three quarters (346; 74%) of cases occurred in fully vaccinated persons (those who had completed a 2-dose course of mRNA vaccine [Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna] or had received a single dose of Janssen [Johnson & Johnson] vaccine ≥14 days before exposure). Genomic sequencing of specimens from 133 patients identified the B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in 119 (89%) and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%). Overall, 274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were reported. Real-time reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) cycle threshold (Ct) values in specimens from 127 vaccinated persons with breakthrough cases were similar to those from 84 persons who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 22.77 and 21.54, respectively). The Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 is highly transmissible (1 ); vaccination is the most important strategy to prevent severe illness and death.
dunno, maybe its uber smart…
whats the average age of a policy maker…