Yes I remember now.
Warrington. We were very low in the infection rate, now 6th…
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New Zealand
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They being an Island Nation where exceptionally lucky unlike the U.K. which is definitely not an Island Nation 
Having a semi competent Government may have helped NZ as well.
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Well lets see how it plays out, too early to tell imo, and I am talking beyond the pandemic itself.
You are also comparing 5m to 60m, proximity vs isolation, major travel hub vs holiday destination (?) ,amount and validity of testing, actual testing being done. These are all things to consider, some overlap, some don’t. for example, Gibraltar, Greenland, Seychelles, Mozambique, have done ridiculously well. I am purposely being silly here to drive home the point that comparing countries is like all stats, you only get the most reliable interpretation when you drill down.
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anyone has not treated this seriously
[/quote]. Here in France the government has not once invoked the ‘Principal of Precaution’. As you are not French I doubt you can understand how serious and the lack of seriousness that implies. Then again you are from Canada, no? Surely this ‘Principal of Precaution’ is held strongly in Canada as well?
competent - Opinion, nobody knows. I am also not sure what leader you are referring, if any, or just general observation.
advice - Advice.
numbers - I already know this is going to piss people off, and I am not saying this for that reason. It is all numbers, and it is also lives, but really its number that are being considered. It becomes lives when it his you personally (relatives, friends, etc). Not a nice way of looking at it, and I think you have to look at it like this as you need detachment in order to make decisions that you don’t know will be right or wrong. It is sort of like Churchill, he know an area was going to be bombed in the second world war, however he made a decision to let it happen as the Nazi’s knew he would have broken their coded messages (I hope I got this right). So its debatable if he did the right thing, would things have worked out differently for the best or worst? He listened to advice, and ultimately made the final decision.
I feel like this is going to go in circles, we are going to cherry pick each other posts. You need to stop so I can have the last word. One of us has to right, and it should be you because I asked first.
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I wish I could express my appreciation of this in less than 20 characters 
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They being an Island Nation where exceptionally lucky unlike the U.K. which is definitely not an Island Nation
Having a semi competent Government may have helped NZ as well.
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Well lets see how it plays out, too early to tell imo, and I am talking beyond the pandemic itself.
You are also comparing 5m to 60m, proximity vs isolation, major travel hub vs holiday destination (?) ,amount and validity of testing, actual testing being done. These are all things to consider, some overlap, some don’t. for example, Gibraltar, Greenland, Seychelles, Mozambique, have done ridiculously well. I am purposely being silly here to drive home the point that comparing countries is like all stats, you only get the most reliable interpretation when you drill down.
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I’m not sure being silly is the right tone here when people are dead and the likelihood is more will die due to ineffective government actions.
There are things that are known to work and the UK decided to reinvent several of them and basically failed. Trump decided to ignore it and then never got a grip of it.
Sorry but your comparisons in the second post are pushing crackpot. How is sacrificing a few through incompetence going to save many more? Numbers and to a certain degree competent means that you have done everything you possibly can. The UK has not and therefore has one of the highest excess death rates in the world. Highest in Europe.
Advice has generally pulled together by experts. Here in the UK the experts were listened to and then ignored.
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Maybe in said MP’s head the UK has risen to sub continent status , like Australia. That might explain it.
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The island of Eurasia is just off the coast of the British continent, obviously, like the famous headline (that is probably apocryphal)
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Interesting
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If it stops trick or treaters it will have been worth it.
Not really. But it’s a close call.
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Don’t you have the pumpkin system? Works really well here. Pumpkin and general Halloween decoration means you’re up for it and everyone knows not to hassle non decorated houses. And it’s only ever young kids knocking on houses.
Doubt there’ll be much trick or treating going on this year, but I love the night.
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Last year was the first we took our kids actually out trick or treating. There’s a few roads near us that go all-out, and it was chaotic but a lot of fun. Probably the best I’ve ever had, thinking about it.
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You have to love American news 
I thought it was great how the thick woman compared wearing a mask to having a policeman kneeling on your throat.
Any luck finding a test slot for your aunt, mate?
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It’s Mrs Mascot’s aunty really, but I think they’ve given up on that. She’s just trying to get her to go to hospital. Whether she has Covid or not is sort of irrelevant. If you need to be in hospital, you need to be in hospital. It doesn’t really matter what the illness is.
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Sounds sensible, hope she’s feeling better soon. 
Bloody old people. It’s not that long since her dad was refusing to go to hospital and he’d had a heart attack
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There’s really no hope is there?
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