I don’t know what you mean by patriotic. I consider myself so, but I am not a Nationalist.
You must explain what you mean by patriotic and “Canadian role model”. I don’t particularly like the Canadian political system at all. First of all it has First Past the Post electoral system, which is one of the worst in the world when it comes to such systems, then Canada is a federation and not a unitary state, which I also don’t like since there is no need for petty kings like State leaders imo.
Edit: And yes, lack of patriotism in Germany is really sad and a shame, but it has its historical reasons. That will have to change now, the time Germans had to feel shame and feel sorry about themselves ended in 2022. So I think you are wrong and that it will change, not fast enough, but it will change. Zeitenwende demands it and will be impossible to succeed unless there is a fundamental cultural shift of what Germany is and what it is supposed to be, as well as who Germans are. It absolutely strictly requires patriotism.
Hard disagree. Germany as a nation state has always been more of a concept, the federal structure we have as well is much more reflective of our history. The most ‘patriotic’ are often the most likely to side with Putin. The best chance, at least for the nearer future, to get what I think you want is through appealing to both more European and at the same time more local sentiments/values that exist. Imo.
I really mean a form of German patriotism modelled on the Canadian example. In other words, that here in Germany, everyone – regardless of their background, skin colour or religion – says “I am German” and forms a united nation.
"The employees of the so-called “public” media propaganda machine have been working under constant intimidation and political pressure. After my interview this morning, several of them told me they see TISZA’s victory on April 12 as a form of liberation.
Thank you for the warm reception, and I wish strength to those working there in the coming weeks until the political appointees are removed.
One of the first measures of the TISZA government will be the immediate suspension of the public media’s news services until all conditions for impartial and objective journalism are fully restored.
The TISZA government will ensure press freedom, abolish censorship, and eliminate prohibited state subsidies."
Let’s wait and see what he will implement. He will need a considerable amount of money for this. (There is currently no Ministry of Climate|Nature Protection in Hungary.)
I think many of us feel differently, and that is born from being a different nationality and that nation having a different history, or current situation.
Take Ukraine for example.
But I do agree that in certain parts of the world patriotism has been hijacked by the far right and used to stir up hatred.
Yeah, patriotism and nationalist ideology is hardly the same. Patriotism is what makes you willing to lay down your life to preserve state, political freedom and culture and rather far less egotistical than merely preserving your family and kin (the latter is hardly an impressive willingness to sacrifice). Its strictly necessary to get young men and women to be at all willing to fight and maybe die.
Then again there are two forms of Nationalisms, if one wants to be more specific. German (ethnic) and political nationalism.
Beklopps nasty words on patriotism and patriots I will ignore, except to say that if Ukrainians thought like him, Russia would have conqoured all of Ukraine in 2022 and I hope he understands this.
I’m not saying that you shouldn’t defend your home or work with your fellow citizens to repel invaders. Those are basic human imperatives. But being patriotic seems to mean thinking that your country is somehow special, and not all countries are worthy of support. Do you then agree with Russian ‘patriotism’ that leads young men to lay down their lives for Putin? Why is our patriotism good, but their patriotism bad?
If you start down the road of thinking that your country is special, then it’s a short step to thinking other countries are inferior and we know where that leads.
I have nothing against fighting for an idea like freedom or equality, but that’s not the same thing as patriotism.
You confuse Nationalism with patriotism, Bekloppt. The hierarchical exclusiveness you speak of is Nationalism, not Patriotism. Patriotism doesn’t mean that you should support whatever policy your state is behind, just because it is your state. Patriotism means willingness to sacrifice for the common good aka community and something bigger than your family . But it doesn’t mean that you should want your country to be imperial, to be cruel, to be viceful and so on. None of that is true patriotism, patriotism is wanting to make your country as good for all as it is possible to be, and to preserve that which is good. If you love your greater community, why would you want then your greater community to be a serial killer or a rapist ? I don’t ! So here we speak of seperate things.
I am fully aware that Nationalists tends to think that they are the only “patriots”, but it’s not the same and not how I was raised to use the term (I also googled now just to double check if my view of patriotism and what it is was some how academically incorrect and it 's not).
Russian “patriotism”, as you call it, is Nationalism and imperial. I don’t even think it is patriotic myself since the war clearly undermines Russia as a good country to actually live in, as well as it of course includes conquest and cruelty.
Personally, and I know it’s a thin line, but as someone that is watching and living a decline of the Welsh language I find that an incredible shame. I think those things should be preserved and nurtured. All languages and the history that comes with them are wonderful things.
From my perspective, other than the erosion that comes from living next to a very dominant language, the largest threat is the very politics that you define as a problem because of it’s nationalism. History also records this happening in other places such as Italy.
I would also add that the initial destruction of the Welsh language was derived from policies in England specifically designed for that outcome.
There was a great quote by Johannes Rau (the former German president, I think quoting a French writer):
“I never want to be a nationalist but rather a patriot. A patriot is someone who loves his fatherland. A nationalist is someone who condemns the fatherland of others.”