The European Union

So the French people you talk to just go on about immigration?
Or do you lead them into it?
What I hear is a really confused arguement about being failed and punishing the ‘status quo’. Backed up by different stuff on the internet that have no relation between them. Really it’s very confused.
Btw I live in a town that has voted solidly for FN and RN for quite some time.

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Another poor assumption. This is the group most challenged by immigration. They tend to want to protect what they already have from others. So protectionism is quite attractive to them.

They tell me what is happening in their country

Why did you think Marine le Pen, the anti immigration leader, is winning the polls? Coincidence?

Wake up

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You quote me saying it’s not the whole story.

That’s another factor most likely. The more German areas dont want their regions to become like Berlin for example

What’s Berlin like?

‘diverse’

Like in Marseille?

Unfortunately some immigrants, especially the so-called “Russlanddeutsche” do vote for AfD despite he are from abroad. :enraged_face:

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It’s a small percentage who can actually vote, they make up something like 10% of the overall electorate and the AfD votes among them are actually higher than you might think (and growing). That’s hardly the explanation for the massive discrepancy.

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From different areas of the world than Marseille, typically.

My personal opinion on Berlin is it’s a mess.

Can’t all second generation migrants vote ? Citizens I mean

No.
Oh, well , since you added that - if they’re citizens, yes. But that’s not all second generation migrants.

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Yeah I should have clarified. My bad

In my first year in Spain I lived with 3 second generation German immigrants that could all vote, for example. I think it’s a large group of people with a sizeable impact, even if it doesn’t account for the entire difference

It’s not that significant a number to explain the massive discrepancies nor are they as unified in their voting as assumed.

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I did ask AI and it said more like 25 to 30 percent of those able to vote are from immigrant background.

But who knows

Also have to see the breakdown plus what proportion of actual voters they make up.

It’s an interesting paradox. In Switzerland, the regions with almost zero immigration are also the most avid followers of the SVP, the Swiss equivalent of AfD. In cities having a big flux of incoming refugees and also a big percentage of foreigners (ie. Geneva, roughly 35%), SVP are totally marginal and can’t take a foothold. There is a party which is mainly directed against the border commuters coming from France, but that’s it. In the city I live in, we have nearly 40% of foreigners, but xenophobic parties have no chance at all in elections.

I told you. That makes up roughly 10% of the overall electorate.

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You can tell me all you like. I don’t believe you when searches suggest significantly higher.

Roughly a third of people with immigrant background who can vote vs overall electorate.
Get it now? Or do you need AI to explain it to you?

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I think it was pretty clear thanks. Much higher than 10 percent of the electorate is of immigrant background, as I said. 25 to 30 percent apparently.

As per the figures of the official German federal election authority. Maybe you should try using Ai…