Oh dear. You still don’t get it. Want me to explain what a third of a third is or do you need a link?
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It’s not a third of a third.
It’s a third of a hundred percent of the electorate. Do you not know what the electorate means?
I thougjht it was people who can vote, but maybe my English is wrong.
Yes. And the figures I gave you are apparently only for that specific group. People allowed to vote.
That’s why I also said we’d need to break down the actual voters not just eligible to vote.
I sat apparently because I’m always skeptical of figures given by the government. Maybe they’re much lower as you think
I’m quite familiar with the notion of exceptionalism. The Swiss love it, (way too much imo): direct democracy, regionalism, diverse languages and cultures blah blah blah. And yet, the SVP regularly takes around 35-40% of votes, since decades. I can guarantee you that they aren’t one jolt better than the AfD, they are exactly the same cwnts. Many people in the country love them, and they haven’t even the excuse of experiencing hardship or poverty, like in Sachsen-Anhalt.
My point was simply that Germany are now a ‘normal’ country since some time, with a strong extreme right party as in any other European country. As long as the extreme right continues to rise in Europe, Germany will follow suit, whether we like it or not. As you know, I hate it. You too, but what can we do?
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Do you know what is meant by a migrant background? Incidentally, are you talking about Sachsen-Anhalt or the country in general?
Germany as a whole
And yes. But if you’d like a definition from Statistisches Bundesamt
a person who either immigrated themselves OR has at least one parent who was not born with German citizenship.
But anyway. The original point was about what is driving this change in voting in these countries.
That actually covers a lot of people who have potentially lived in Germany for generations. Some of the changes to German nationality have only come in over the last 30 years.
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Yes it’s a lot of people
Roughly a third of people in Germyny have a migration background. But a majority of them aren’t eligible to vote. That adds up to roughly 10% (12% at the last federal election,according to the Statistisches Bundesamt) of the electorate, which is the relevant number when it comes to election ressults. A vast majority of those eligible have a background that is either EU or post-Soviet. Quite a lot of them actually have pretty anti-non European immigration sentiments.
This doesn’t even come close to being an explanation for the massive differences in voting behaviour.
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Sorry, Statistisches Bundesamt disagrees.
But we won’t agree so let’s leave it there on that specific point and agree to disagree.
Directly from the Statistisches Bundesamt:
"Im Jahr 2023 hatten rund 17,1 Millionen Menschen ab 18 Jahren und damit ein Viertel (25 %) der erwachsenen Bevölkerung in Deutschland eine Einwanderungsgeschichte. Wie das Statistische Bundesamt (Destatis) anlässlich des Internationalen Tages der Migrantinnen und Migranten am 18. Dezember 2024 auf Basis des Mikrozensus 2023 mitteilt, wären davon 41 % oder 7,1 Millionen Personen bei einer Bundestagswahl wahlberechtigt gewesen. **Damit machten Wahlberechtigte mit Einwanderungsgeschichte 12 % aller Wahlberechtigten aus "
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It’s normal and nothing special from Medvedev.
I agree with you, although I would be far more careful to differentiate between Ethnic Nationalism (which is what you are talking about, and that is old as time itself, since it again is based on tribalism) and Fascism. They are clearly linked, and those who are attracted to ethnic Nationalism and romanticism will more often than not, also be attracted to fascist ideals.
But it’s not really the same and imo, conflating them makes fighting racism harder (because a racist is not necessarily a fascist and you will certainly not change his/her mind if you escalate and exagerate and brand him a “nazi”).
I guess, what I am trying to say, Fascism is not raising its head everywhere, but very problematically, the old form of romantic Ethnic Nationalism that brought us Fascism down the road, is.
Anyway, awful times and indeed, scary times ahead for those of us who fear such a future of conflict.
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Facts are not opinions. Agreeing doesn’t come into it unless one wants to be stupidly polite, and neither of you were. In a conversation about facts one is supposed to concede when wrong, not speak of opinions.
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The fact is, thats your opinion😬
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They appear to be. The Wikipedia page is quite detailed, particularly under the Electorate, which gives the demographics of support.
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I don’t need your nonsense lecture thanks.
The source he quoted is for people with both parents being of immigrant background since 1950 and doesn’t include people with only one immigrant parent or before 1950, which is what i said and referred to. His figure is incorrect.
When somebody is polite and ends a needless debate amicably, you should be polite, keep quiet and let them.