The Man Utd thread (3)

It’s always a difficult debate because too many people want to view the recent performances under an out of depth/misfiring manager as representative of how good that player is. Look at how we are responding to Mac, Ibou, Mo, even Virgil.

For several years I did think Utd were far better than their performances/results, but with the changes they made the last 2 summers I am now less sure. Especially given their upturn in results this season. But I still think there is more than enough there that a “Utd caliber” manager could have them competing

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As a Liverpool fan I always have to celebrate when Man Utd have drama like this. I just wish we weren’t struggling ourselves, as it takes the edge off laughing at them too much.

I stuck the boot in on my Man Utd mate in our little WhatsApp group, which you have to do, but unfortunately there was plenty for him to give back, justifiably.

For me, that is what makes the timing so odd, though I can understand the sequence. Over his entire time, I absolutely do think ManU has underperformed their talent level. But I would say he was finally showing some real improvement, and ManU is for the first time about where I think they should be based on comparative squad strength.

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In my view I think they just upgraded to the ready made versions of the players they already had. They did nothing to look at the midfield.

As for Man Utd fans giving it back, sadly they still have little to crow back at us, as they are still 3 points behind what many are describing as the worst Liverpool side they’ve ever seen (it’s not but I refer you to several post match threads and the Slot thread for reference).

3 cups in the last ten years. We’ve won two league titles and a Champions League.

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Poll for who should be next permanent manager. So no option for giving it to Giggsy until the end of the season…

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Giggsy is old news. They have Fletcher now. He has Utd DNA. He understands the club.

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Southgate and Ole lead it so far :rofl:

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To be fair his DNA is literally in the club as two of his kids were on the bench recently

(it’s also 50-50 that he wanked into the dirty laundry basket at the end of this last game)

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Leaving his DNA is his trademark. Just ask his brother.

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Does Darren Fletcher himself count? (Though this was back in July)

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This United DNA thing… Not sure I’ve ever heard that kind of term associated with any other club. All a bit elitest if you ask me. Give it to Giggseh then, he’s more than generous with his DNA.

And no, this one never gets old.

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There is, but in most cases a good portion of it is a bunch of overrated shite in my opinion. Some of these clubs have been there for 150 odd years, there isn’t one way in which they had all their successful periods.

Some things in football change, some remain the same, some just turn in cycles.

You even hear it at places like Tottenham and West Ham. What, because their fanbases like seeing good football, because they remember an era from way back? No shit, who doesn’t? And good football is pretty general and somewhat subjective in the first place. They couldn’t agree between themselves anyway.

At United, I’ve heard a few times that it’s 4-4-2, wingers out wide, fast, powerful and winning football.

I would never want my club to fall into those traps of history, especially being slaves of a bloody football formation.

I want us to be protagonists and win. Whether in different eras it’s in different formations, sometimes more controlled football, sometimes with more intensity, a bit more on the idealist side or pragmatic one… I don’t care. Success in any of those ways is good for me.

I think Barca in last decades are that one special place where it mattered more than anywhere else. Where that identity was indeed something, from the kids to the first team. Manifested in them having a team that were all part of their academy. I don’t know if we’ll ever see that again, at that high level, in our lifetime.

And of course that a place like West Ham today cannot implement it like clubs that need to build a style of play that needs to dominate every season like Bayern, Celtic, etc.

Clubs trying to implement some general principles of playing and behaviour is something else, of course you try to do that and it raises the chances for your first team to be successful.

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New curse

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Dude…

You should watch this clip, you’ll fucking love it.

GaryNev basically parrots everything you just said.

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He dared comparing United’s DNA (as in having a strong one) with Barcelona and Ajax.

:joy:

I know it’s impossible for him to be totally objective (nobody is, in any topic), but dear me some of the stuff I hear sometimes from United-related people. From the world’s biggest club (I mean the bottle to say that when Real are doing what they’re doing in the last decade or so), having a strong DNA comparable to Barca and Ajax, goalkeeper at United being the most difficult position in world football.

Amazing.

A few years ago he said on MNF something like United should be about power, pace and transitions.

Now he says they should take risks, be exciting, etc.

Incredible game of words, because how can one possibly be against power, pace, transitions, taking risks, being exciting.

At the same time, it can mean everything and nothing. Or somewhat contradictory.

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fingers crossed Slot wins the Manager of the Month next then! :wink:

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Yep.

I really would not mind Slot winning the award, as it will likely show that the team has properly turned a corner and not having the current dreadful boring football. Anyway, I am derailing this Mancs thread.

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Penny for Ashworth’s thoughts today. I bet he’s having a good day.

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