The Middle East Thread

This is MSF, not Hamas-run health ministry

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/gaza-war-iran-backed-palestinian-leader-vows-victory-over-israel-9242376/

Scum.

Can’t imagine a more unfortunate nation like Palestine whose leadership options are Abbas and Hamas.

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This is really disturbing.

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I posted this as it humanises the aid workers murdered

https://x.com/minhajabbasi3/status/1775070411551629650?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw

https://x.com/resist_05/status/1775063630494720093?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw

Smaller NGOs are currently pausing operations. Israel has already blamed Hamas, others saying its was a friendly fire incident. I am more inclined to believe it was strategic. Along the same lines as it’s stategic war against UNWRA.

I would call this terrorism. Using violence to intimidate civilians.

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https://x.com/resist_05/status/1774719213732852033?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw

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This was no accident. It’s a deliberate attempt to control the aid flow and continue to use hunger as a weapon.

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Yes, just seen is from sky news

https://x.com/haggis_uk/status/1775125966748024883?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw

I have seen some coverage calling it an airstrike, some calling it a drone strike. The photos aren’t particularly conclusive, but it was something with strong penetration, absolutely ripped through the top of the roof and I assume detonated inside the vehicle or as it was puncturing the roof.

Also a deliberate attempt to force Egypt to take in the refugees.

Wouldn’t something with strong penetration make a bigger hole in the vehicle ? I do think it’s a high precision strike (more likely a drone strike) but something which makes that kind of penetration in an armored vehicle would likely take more of the vehicle apart.

No, the more readily a round punches through, the cleaner the hole will be. Something that bounced off the roof and exploded (or in the case of a drone, flew close and exploded) would do more generalized damage, and probably flatten the whole car. That was a clear puncture, maybe a blast as it happened that widened the hole. Very high penetration ordnance, such as an AP round, would just go right through - but Hamas would only have those as handheld RPGs (if they have any of those types at all), nothing that would hit the roof unless fired from above (I guess an arc shot but good luck with that), while Israel doesn’t have any targets for that kind of round in Gaza. AP rounds will just cut through a softshell vehicle without exploding, had it been something like that, the hole would probably be not much more 10 cms, roundish, and the explosion might have come from under the car when the round hit hard ground and detonated.

The reason I am wondering is the ‘Hamas did it’ and ‘friendly fire incident’. I can’t see how Hamas would have destroyed that, and it is unclear who the ‘friends’ would have been.

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Yes and Zionists are evil, they practice terrorism through there beliefs and they should be proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

Israel has acknowledged about the attack.

I see that now - three drone-fired missiles, probably the type made for penetrating weaker armour (top, usually). Hence tearing through the civilian vehicle in the photos, but also being able to destroy the armoured cars (the other two vehicles in the convoy).

Worst of all is the fact that firing appears to have been authorized on the basis of weak intel, that there was ‘a terrorist in the convoy’. That is either outright bullshit or rogue hardliners in the military.

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Which is pretty much all that has been coming out of the Israeli government and IDF since October.

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standard CYA when there’s a drone operator who got too trigger happy i guess.

Graphic puts it into perspective

https://x.com/williamclouston/status/1775426705647178124?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw

You could believe a single mistake, but three seperate drones. Given the clear markings.

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I’d like to know what kind of leverage Israel has against the US, UK and other western countries.
All I’ve seen are comments like “this is unacceptable” from polititions regarding this latest strike.
I’m utterly sick of hearing “you’re antisemetic” allegations towards anyone criticising Israel.

Fucking vile nation entrenched in hatred

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