The Middle East Thread

Which is why it would have to look a lot like UNIFIL, so many countries that it has an identity of sorts all its own. I think the two largest contributors to UNIFIL are India and Indonesia, with Ireland being the longest-serving contributor.

India and Indonesia do contribute quite a bit.

Any UN force whether it’s UNIFIL or otherwise has to go in with a temporary mandate. A Mandate that’s designed to enforce a standing peace even after the troops are withdrawn. Otherwise it’s just more soldiers being lost.

UNIFIL has been there for 46 years, could not tell you how many casualties over the years, but if they had not been there I think the consequences would have been awful.

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That won’t work out. It has to be a quicker mandate. If a peacekeeping force is there for 46 years , that means that it’s been ineffectual.

There has to be a better mandate with a fixed timeline.

I used “moderate” as a verb - to describe a conciliatory shift in their stated objectives away from their founding principles. Their tactics are a different matter. But even acknowledging the awfulness of those tactics there should also be a recognition that moderation of tactics are unlikely to hold when attempts to moderate on objectives are dismissively rejected.

The first I in UNIFIL is ‘Interim’…

Hamas is a fragmented organization with differing views. There might be elements within Hamas who are open to be more moderate. The problem of negotiating with Hamas is that there is no one in complete control.

The problem is, Gaza isn’t a stand-alone problem but is part of the Palestine issue. Even if, and that’s a fucking big if, there’s some resolution of Gaza, it would only be a matter of time when it slides into chaos regarding some issues in West Bank or Jerusalem.

The northern part of West Bank isn’t much different than what Gaza was before October 7. Add to that the constant eviction of Palestinians, the settler violence, and the near complete lack of any governance and you have all you need for never-ending chaos.

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Hamas has apparently agreed to a ceasefire.

Yeah, came here to post that :pray:

No response yet from Israel though , and it’s Haniyeh who agreed to it , nothing either from Sinwar.

Fingers crossed.

Edit : Israel says ‘Softened’ Egypt proposal not acceptable. Cunts.

Of course it’s not acceptable.

It doesn’t let them continue with their genocide, nor does it keep Netanyahu in power.

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Three phases of six weeks each
A commitment to permanent ceasefire in Phase II
Lifting of the 16-year old blockade after Phase III

:grimacing:

Why would Hamas think Israel would agree to that ?

They obviously didn’t , but it does allow them to paint Israel as the bad guys for not accepting the deal.

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https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1787543481306816667
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1787543485127827954
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1787543489166663924
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1787543492564242718
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/1787546575889387925

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1787544834158326121
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1787534458955956394

They are not going to accept this. Much too favourable for Hamas, I think. Israel want more a Limited Capitulation.

Imo, this isn’t very serious, but maybe I am wrong…

Just now, 5 min ago:
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1787560102645338379

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Hmm:
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1787564534233800770
https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1787564576394957257

Talk while shooting. Old strategy. So cease fire hopes now over. If Michael is correct (and he is quite informed and intelligent), then they may go ahead with the invasion pieace meal, and then stop it and withdraw if Hamas accepts more (from Israeli pov) realistic terms.

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https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1787561749543022716

I don’t think ground forces are involved much here, but softening for an offensive has sadly begun, I think.