The Middle East Thread

An internal UN report seen by the BBC has described widespread abuse of Palestinians who were captured and interrogated at makeshift Israeli detention centres during the ongoing war in Gaza.

The draft document compiled by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa), the main UN agency supporting Palestinians, includes detailed testimony from detainees who describe an extensive range of ill-treatment.

They include being stripped and beaten, being forced into cages and attacked by dogs, forced into stress positions for extended periods, and subjected to ā€œblunt force traumaā€ including the butts of guns and boots, resulting in some cases in ā€œbroken ribs, separated shoulders and lasting injuriesā€.

It says both men and women reported ā€œthreats and incidents of sexual violence and harassmentā€ including inappropriate touching of women and beatings to menā€™s genitals.

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Are you shocked? You shouldnā€™t be. They have recorded those atrocities and have actually posted them online.

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A difficult/disturbing watch

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Fried Rice Cooking GIF by Nigel Ng (Uncle Roger)

He was previously the UKā€™s chief military prosecutor. While in this role, Cayley played a key role in a process that resulted in the former ICC prosecutor deciding in 2020 to abandon a long-running investigation into allegations that UK military personnel committed war crimes in Iraq.

Yeah, he is going to do a stellar job.

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Jonathan Glazer won an Oscar on Sunday for Zone of Interest (best international film), a film about what is often referred to as ā€œthe banality of evilā€ as it relates to those involved in the holocaust. In his acceptance speech he made the comment that he rejects his jewishness and the memory of the holocausts being used to justify Israelā€™s actions in Palestine.

There was an immediate backlash of people not just construing what he said but very clear misquoting him, cutting off the second half of his sentence, a move that does indeed completely change the meaning.

https://x.com/NGrossman81/status/1767223970397294932?s=20

This is almost certainly a social media issue, but think itā€™s also a textbook case of how Israel and its supporters have poisoned the discourse. Immediately, prominent people leapt in to attack him, disgustedly denying the claim he made - that people raise being jewish and the memory of the holocaust to justify what Israel is doing - and then went on to do precisely that.

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Itā€™s fascism in plain sight.

Israel and its proxies has a well-honed process of marginalizing, and if thatā€™s not possible, demonizing any criticism of its colonialist program. Just imagine the outrage if Iran/China/Russia did something similar.

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The only democracy in middle east :laughing:

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Everybody knows whatā€™s happening.
Everybody knows what needs to be done.

Yetā€¦

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I think that more than ā€˜mayā€™, in practical terms no one is going to put the question to Congress before November 4.

Israel is basically a failed state at this stage.

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Doubt you can call Israel a failed state, but countries formed on the basis of artificial constructs such as religion etc rarely do well.

Israel isnā€™t nearly as bad as Pakistan for instance, economically itā€™s far ahead. But the parallels between the two in terms of religious fanatics , violence against minorities etc etc cant be denied.

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Well the UK was formed essentially as an anti-catholic measureā€¦

okay , countries formed in the 20th century on the basis of religion rarely do well.

I mean you could argue that about the UK. I think where countries have been artificially split along religious lines (and you could include ideological in that description) it hasnā€™t gone well. There was a spate of that in the 20th century in Ireland, Palestine, Germany, Korea, India and so on that just led to long term conflict.

I think there have been examples countries splitting amicably (possibly Czechoslovakia) but the split has tended to be amicable. Even there there were problems, e.g. with the Roma population.

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I think you mean a rogue state? Failed state would be Haiti or Somalia, states unable to actually exercise sovereignty/control over large portions of the population or territory they claim. Israel is absolutely able to do that, in fact that is sort of the heart of the problem.

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At least in a couple of those, the conflict long predates the partioning.

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Staggering. The number of children reported killed in just over 4 months in #Gaza is higher than the number of children killed in 4 years of wars around the world combined.

This war is a war on children. It is a war on their childhood and their future.#ceasefireNow for theā€¦ pic.twitter.com/tYwSNHecpy

ā€” Philippe Lazzarini (@UNLazzarini) March 12, 2024

Itā€™s insane that the child killers and those who aided this killings will not only face any repercussions, but they likely to do something similar in the future. The world is fucked.

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International courts and humanitarian law are meaningless now. Why should any country fear repercussions for whatever type of barbarity they might decide to embark upon now that they have seen what Israel is allowed to get away with , aided and abetted by the US.

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