The Middle East Thread

Because they don’t want to see them still there in sixty years’ time , like what happened in Lebanon and Jordan. Sisi is an even more authoritarian ruler than Mubarak was. He’s not about to be taking any chances with importing potentially destabilising forces into Egypt.

Jordan probably has 4m refugees from Palestine. It didn’t work out well for them.

The age of misinformation. It’s now been widely reported and accepted. So many people have said to me about the beheadings. Used to justify genocide. The blood lust will continue until they’ve killed about 10x the number of Israelis killed. Then US will ‘urge restraint’. Same every time, just on a bigger scale this time

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I was about to ask how we don’t know that, knowing he has better access than us, he hasn’t actually seen pictures. Then I read this:

Later, a White House official clarified to the BBC that Biden did not actually see such images, but was referring to "reports from Israel.

I’m sorry but Biden has come across as a bit of a dick head to me during this crisis. For me, he’s definitely got a horse in this race. That horse is likely a domestic Jewish community he is trying to shore up before the US elections.

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As has Starmer. Both are not just willing to support war crimes, but actively encouraging them. It’s a sickening competition for who is Israel’s best supporter

Even a Republican president would do the same actions on this crisis. The American foreign policy basically is unchanged no matter which party is in power. Unless it’s someone like the walking disaster Trump coming in.

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It’s not possible evidently to both support Israel’s right to exist (and to defend itself) and to criticize their behaviour towards the Palestinians. Not for global leaders atleast.

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Done.
Thank you 3000. :slightly_smiling_face:

It’s not possible evidently to both support Isarel’s right to exist (and to defend itself) and Palestinian right to exist (and to defend itself)

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Serious Jewish scholars and commentators get accused of perpetuating antisemitic tropes for doing just that.

It really is, at least right now, an ‘unassailable’ position, no world leader could seriously attack it and survive.

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If I’m not mistaken the usual ratio for Palestinian v Israeli deaths in these conflicts is somewhere in the order of 100:1. We could be about to see some truly astronomical figures if that is somewhere near the mark this time.

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It’s only just begun and UK, US and EU are complicit. In the future people will look back in shame as with Iraq and Afghanistan, but they’ll never learn or change

In my job, I have had to deal with strident pro-Israel students accusing university programmes of teaching antisemitic content. I’m talking about expert, peer-reviewed scholarship.

The accusation is incredibly difficult to defend, and attempts to engage with the arguments in good faith are almost never reciprocated in my experience.

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We are looking at an impending event where the Palestinians dead in Gaza would be measured in the 100k’s if not even more.

Israel control the airspace , they’ve got US sending their carriers to back them up. Germans are sending drones too i’ve read somewhere.

And Bibi is a bloodthirsty pscyhopath desperate to remain in power who would do just about anything.

Hamas with their terrorist actions has just given him the excuse to do just that.

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Either be looked upon as antisemitic or be accused of Islamophobia. Can’t win either way.

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Seems that the definition of ‘terrorist’ is killing less people than the side with more power

This act by Hamas is a terrorist act. Let’s denounce that firstly for what it is before going into the motives etc.

9/11 terrorist attacks are a good parallel. You can’t be saying but oh , the Americans did kill more.

At least some are saying it…I missed the name but a Jewish scholar working in Australia was on the radio this morning.

His fundamental point was the language of terrorism needs to be used both ways. It is an inescapable fact.

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Indeed. But how will you describe the terror inflicted by Israelis on Palestinians since 1948?

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There’s terrorism and there’s state sponsored genocide.

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