If they support Hamas they are ‘radical’. Can we similarly describe the IDF as radical? Or why are only one side in this conflict allowed to have an army
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Sorry, what? Did I not just say Israel became the oppressor and could have been the light of inclusion? Do I specifically have to say Palestinians are human as well in order for that to be true. It’s this exact faux outrage that obfuscates everything. I’m absolutely not going to venerate Palestinians as paragons of virtue and at the same time I can condemn Israel as an oppressor.
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It is smart American politics. Democrats do tend to get more support from American Jews, though that has weakened recently. However, GOP-voting evangelicals are this incarnation of Israel’s strongest supporters. Biden’s positioning in support of Israel is problematic for the Republicans, and Trump in particular. They have refused to confirm a US Ambassador to Israel for over two years, and now that matters. Additionally, Trump has bizarrely sent a very muddy signal on abortion to evangelicals, more or less demanding their support regardless of his future positions - and they are not happy about it. I doubt Biden can pick up much support from them regardless of what he does with Israel, but between abortion and Israel a lot of those evangelicals might just stay home on election day.
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Actually a related question, in the Palestinian people quest for fight for freedom and a state of their own, the general Palestinian public has to ask, is Hamas the government or leadership that we want to bring us on that path? Considering that Hamas has used civilians as shields and in the past executed Palestinians whom they accused of various crimes, in front of children nonetheless, I am just wondering from the ashes of this tragedy, will there be a new group who will resist the Israel occupation with another method than Hamas?
EDIt: and also what does this mean for the Palestinian in West Bank? Are we going to see 2 separate fight for a Palestinian state that might eventually become 2 because of them being govern by 2 different leadership?
Not sure where your paragons of virtue come from. There are good and bad people in every country. The binary to oppressor is oppressed. Occupier v occupied. Honestly no idea what point you are trying to make
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Again. Hamas is subscribing to the same wahabbi brand of Islam that Isis did. That makes them dangerous.
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You literally just said I didn’t make mention of Palestinians as human? Mate, wtf are you on about? Am I supposed to bend over backwards to signify that I think Palestinians are human, am I supposed to stress that fact, put it in bold, highlight it in yellow, caps perhaps. It’s fucking obvious.
Like I said obfuscation. Fuck me.
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Hamas and Fatah are two different organizations. Fatah controls the west bank and is well… Less militant in its dealings compared to Hamas.
I understand Fatah is the rival to Hamas but are they very different in how they see the fight for freedom from occupation, don’t hear of them much at least on my side
I think factions within Fatah were at one point of time pretty close to a solution with Israel before vested interests in both countries scuppered the deal.
Hamas are Sunni. Wahabi are the guys we allow to run our premier league football teams
And they aren’t sunni ?
Wahabi are Sunni.
You wrote a straw man essay above with the main point seemingly that people deify Palestinians. Which is utter bollocks considering the entire world is a currently sitting back and allowing them to be starved and slaughtered
Your linguistic nit picking is not a sign of intelligence. Reply to the mans points it was good one.
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How could I reply anymore directly? Unless your saying his point is that they’re Muslim so they’re dangerous?
Fatah and Hamas are very different, quite possibly irreconcilably so in the long term. Hamas is not a secular organization, Fatah’s roots are in Arab nationalist/secular thought in the 1950s and 1960s. The turn to fundamentalism in the past 40 years in Islam has changed Fatah to some degree, but nonetheless their vision of what a Palestine state would look like is radically different.
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He didn’t say that.
I made the point that Hamas , as a terrorist organisation and still governing a populace of 2m , has plenty of radical muslim fundamentalists as their army and are dangerous because they follow the same principle as ISIS.
I’ve a lot more time for Fatah as a legitimate voice for the Palestinians than for Hamas.
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They aren’t