Isnât it strange that Fatah seem pretty quiet then? I would have thought that they need to now stand up for all Palestinian and offer them what they plan to do compared to Hamas and put forward again to Israel and the political actors to broker a deal, let the Palestinian see hope and perhaps a big majority in Gaza will weed out Hamas and the message is destroy Hamas all you want, we can help with that but we want us to sit at the table and renew talks on the 2 state. Itâs idealistic from me perhaps but strange that Fatah would not try anything?
As Bibi said to his own party , the best course for cancelling Fatah was to support Hamas discreetly.
Which you said you partially agreed with initially? So which is it? Strawman or something where you found parts you agree with. Because thatâs what you said, âagree with you to some extentâ.
Somehow, after that you insisted I didnât even mention them as human to which I asked why would I even need to, itâs obvious. Now itâs about Muslim which I didnât even mention in any of my posts.
If anyone is strawmanning and obfuscating itâs yourself and thus I donât feel the need to converse with you beyond this point except to say have a word and give your head a wobble.
Click the third item down. FFS my 6yo has better research skills
Itâs well known that wahabbism is a branch of Sunni Islam. Youâre probably the first Iâve seen who seems to argue thatâs not the case.
Agreed that Hamas arenât separate from Gazans, which is obvious
I said âequal humanâ. Why are Palestinians not allowed to have an army to defend them like every other country. Of course armed groups will arise in such situations.
Anyway, sorry if I overstated. Really not important and losing the humanity in ridiculous arguments here
Iâm sorry bud, but youâre embarrassing yourself on this thread. I know youâre better than that, perhaps take a break, get some air and weâll all be here and still willing to swear at Michael Oliver with you on match day.
Wahabi thinking is very recent, a development of Hanbali belief within Sunni Islam. Broadly speaking, Muslims are either Sunni, Shiâi, or a very small number of Khawarij. Sunni jurisprudence has four âschoolsâ, the Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafiâi. The Wahabi form of Hanbalism is now probably 20% of the worldâs Sunni population, and Saudi money has been actively trying to expand its influence within the Sunni world.
Within that âtreeâ of how Islam has evolved (principally on who or what succeeded the Prophetâs authority), I am not sure where you would be situating Wahabism, but it is very definitely a development of Sunni belief.
It looks like Israelâs blockade is being tied to release of hostages (which frankly is an improvement over their previous position which was bomb Gaza and forget about the hostages).
Israelâs Energy Minister Israel Katz says the siege of Gaza will not end until Israeli hostages are released. In a social media post, Israel Katz said no âelectrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enterâ until the âabducteesâ are free.
Israel stopped supplies to the Gaza Strip after the Hamas attacks on Saturday.
The BBC are also reporting that Egypt and Qatar are trying to negotiate.
Yes, a branch of Sunni that is associated around the world with jihad, which was the original point.
Also most if not all islamic terrorist organisations subscribe to wahabi Islam.
Didnât you say that wahabbis were not Sunnis ?
But still a war crime
Fatah are an irrelevance and an embarrassment. They are seen by most Palestinians now in the West Bank as part of the problem not the solution. It should also be remembered that if it wasnât for their rampant corruption and general uselessness then Hamas would never have achieved the political platform that allowed it to seize power in Gaza in the first place.
Was stupid of Hamas to attack knowing that the Israelis control their water , electricity , food etc etc.
Even if it constitutes as war crime , does any country allow electricity to the other when itâs at war with the other country?
And considering , IDF could do a lot worse than that.
Well, the Sunni ones. There are Shiâite terrorist organizations, though due to geographic spread not nearly as many.
Entirely. However it seems to be some acknowledgement of restraint. Iâm curious as to what the Egyptian and Qatari position is. Iâm assuming that Egypt doesnât want a refugee crisis on their doorstep. The Qatari one is more interesting. They are one of the biggest backers for Hamas so may have more sway on them.
I think the other factor there is Fatah (notwithstanding your not inaccurate comment about how useless they are) has a moderate wing, Hamas doesnât in any way meaningful to outsiders. That to some extent reflects the different situations of the West Bank and Gaza. The West Bank population faces brutal challenges, but can imagine a better future. I am not sure the circumstances of Gaza allow for that.
hmmm ⌠letâs see how long that position lasts.
Iâd take a hefty bet that Hamas has stockpiles of food and water for its fighters. Thereâs no way theyâll accede to that.