The Middle East Thread

Oh fuck…reports that Damascus and Aleppo airports are shut down after Israeli attacks

It’s being reported by Reuters and some Israeli media as second hand reports from Syria. Some footage on Twitter but I’ve no idea on the veracity of it.

Only accounts I have seen attribute it to Syrian state media, make of that what you will.

It is staggering to see how much fake content there is on Twitter right now. It has more or less become useless.

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Sky are reporting this live.

Not sure how biased are such studies but if true, then it truly confirm that Hamas while ruling Gaza never really cared about Palestinians. Like Hezbollah, they just wanted Jews eradicated. And I really think for Palestinians to ever finally be free and get a state and home of their own, they have to first resist such radical groups. While it’s no perfect solution, but the international leaders will likely favour backing a secular group to 2 state talks and never with a group like Hamas.

Hamas’ hold on Gaza has been slipping, one of the motivations for this attack was clearly addressing that by radicalizing the population again.

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At last some sense is now being imported here.

Also likely under concerted instruction from Russia and Iran.

I’m pretty sure it’s more of a response to derail the Saudi -Israel peace deal.

Whether it’s from Iran’s instructions remains to be seen. Russia would have absolutely no interest in ordering this attack though.

They stand to gain from the Saudi - Israel deal

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Ok might be affective of both, but I dont do axiomatic reasoning, I think there are always multiple reasons, so you can add that to the mix, I agree. But you will never see evidence of these things - how do you think an intelligence officer operates with gaps in evidence? They must be intelligent and able to bridge the gap with high reason.

Russia do have a clear interest. Its all interconnected now as the eastern axis leads the west into WW3. It stretches the US and gives Russia time to regroup. It also spreads a widening conflict which is more desirable for Russia. Exemplified in the rhetoric which came out of the first days of the Ukr war, where Russia’s narrative quickly changed to predominately anti-western. Its going to spread further as well, with NK and Iran yet to play their hands.

As well, the rise in atrocity in the world was brokered by Russia, it was they who have been committed to breaking the international norms of armed conflict. it was they who clearly assassinated civilians in North Kyiv and Mariupol, parts of Donbas, Kharkiv, everywhere, which implies an overarching Order and which is why Putin is currently under indictment from the ICC. But the cat is out the bag and we’re all targets and rape ready if necessary. Russia did this.

What gets me is Russian invaded Ukraine, Hamas attacked south Israel, but its NATO and their allies which are at fault. This is the product of years of Russian, Iranian Chinese and NK active measures directed at our population. So that many are confused (and I see them on here) and cannot support their own people. This is otherwise known as subversion in intel circles. We have been subject to a long course of subversion from the early noughties - and people now believe this shite. Admittedly the US has its more express version of regime change. But the West is weak to subversion because of its adherence to right to free speech. Of course the enemy knows this.

The hard fact is, there are now huge factions in the east and west that want the other eradicated.

What do Russia stand to gain from the Saudi - Israel deal- and why has Putin not come out and condemned the acts of Sat?

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I wouldn’t be so sure. This has taken the world’s attention away from the Ukraine war and western resources could be diverted to Israel. I’d say the Hamas attack suits Russia down to the ground.

Saudi (Gulf) - Israel railway deal potentially allows Russia a route to the subcontinent and beyond if you include the newly inked Saudi - Iran deal and the extension of the railway line to Iran.

It isn’t beyond the realms for a railway line to be built connecting Iran with Russia either through Armenia or Azerbaijan.

It’s all speculation here but these countries seem more motivated by profit now. Russia has a sizable interest in Israel as well (it’s a known money laundering hub for their oligarchs).

Let’s see how the politics shape up.

Thanks I didnt know this - casts a light on the Nagorno conflict too!

China brokered the Iran - Saudi deal. That wouldn’t have been done without consulting Russia even if Russia are the junior partners now.

Most of these incidents do seem to be connected.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to get Odessa and control of the Black sea.

The events between Armenia and Azerbaijan

And finally the Iran - Saudi deal.

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What for?

Israel are a nuclear powerhouse compared to Hamas…they could wipe them out on their own in a month tops, they’re not wasting anytime whether Western resources offers itself to them or not…already gathering at the border ready to launch ground offence.

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Agree. Who exactly will openly give their ammo to Hamas now ?

Even Iran won’t do that. This smacks more of a last gasp effort by Hamas out of desperation seeing the political winds go against them.

Yeah, indeed, but it’s this preconceived idea which is the worst of all, and the cowardness of all these politicians. If they had the courage to move on from it, their respective populations would say ‘fair play’, that is all.

But I suspect that a good part of them have the same ideas than Netanyahou about what should happen with the Palestinians, hence their support…

Who would they (Gaza residents) turn to

  1. Islamic Jihad, a junior partner of Hamas
  2. Fatah/PA/Abbas, who gives fuck about all Palestinians
  3. Israel
  4. Egypt
  5. Overthrow Hamas and have their own leadership which will be acceptable to West and Israel and receive the same compassion from them as the Palestinians in West Bank?

Perhaps, some of the Hamas members and Palestinians were thinking about forming splinter groups. If those groups carried out any attack, Hamas would have been blamed and Gaza would have been pounded nevertheless.

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Egypt is a non entity now.

The Gaza citizens are on their own I’m afraid. I just don’t see any way out of this for them , and that’s frightening.

Having to rely on Israelis to show restraint (which they haven’t shown in the past) doesn’t make for a good show.

I’m looking back at the history of this region to make some sense of it, to try and understand what happened to get to this point. What a fucking shambles, there’s no easy solution to it. When you have religion this deeply rooted in people’s lives it just complicates the fuck out of it.

A land founded in war that may never know peace.

Truth.

I don’t think there’s ever been a clear stretch of years that the land has had some measure of peace.