Apt.
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Itās fascinating to observe the symmetry in the positions of both Israelās government and Hamasā. Both are interested in an escalation of this conflict, for the exact same reasons.
Itās also interesting (and tragic) to see that the civil victims of Hamasā latest attacks were overwhelmingly moderate Israelis, and by no means armed fanaticals.
About that latest bombardment in Syria: can anyone explain to me why on earth Israel would do such a thing?
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I feel itās just misinformation. I heard about this a few hours ago and till now I havenāt seen any photos of the damage. Most mainstream media (I checked DW, Al Jazeera, Guardian) have reported it but only cited the Syrian source.
Surely Syria would have published photos if it really happened.
Its said to be about stopping arms shipments to Hezbollah whom are warming up in the north
Yip, strange when you read stuff here, and it gives the impression that posters are trying to justify the murder of babies because the beheading part could be fake.
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Yet it is critical to acknowledge how they got into power.
They were elected nearly 20 years ago (2006 I think) and there has not been an election since. The majority of the current population of Gaza not only did not vote for them, given the demographics of the territory, havenāt even had the chance to vote in any election.
That election was called in the context of Fatah losing credibility with the people because of corruption allegations, and the US pushing to get the elections done to bolster their, and Abbasā position before it became untenable. It was a gamble, but one seemingly made without consideration of what happens when you lose. The fact their effort to put their finger on the scale for an unpopular party was so transparent, at a time of all time low US reputation in the region because of the Iraq war, further hurt Fatah and inevitably pushed people to the only credibly challenger in Hamas, even if for many it was no more than a protest vote.
As for the related point of even Palestians not seeing a distinction, it will always look that way if you look for the most vocal and extreme reactions. Hamas is something the people of Gaza are stuck with, and for a near majority something they were born into. Opposition to them is responded to with violence, which makes options for the general citizen incredibly limited.
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Nobody is doing that and itās a very nasty lie.
Read what I wrote and apologise.
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Which then also put into context as I said earlier that Hamas does not really care about the Palestinians, they just want to eradicate Israel at all costs. Or else they would not ignore just in July 62% of Gazans wanted to uphold the ceasefire with Israel. I really donāt know who else can lead Palestine to an independent recognised state but itās definitely not Hamas or groups like this.
Thereās a lot of talk about jihad, wanting to eradicate Israel etc. Nothing about the Zionist agenda that has been eradicating Palestine and Palestinians since 1948. It doesnāt matter who are the leaders in West Bank or Gaza. Peaceful or militant. The settlement building and oppression will continue until itās all āJudea and Samariaā
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Zionists in charge of Israel and Hamas are thinking on the same lines. Zionists donāt want Palestinians and Hamas donāt want Jews.
As has been pointed out numerous times, thereās no hope of an independent state. Look at the map of the West Bank since 1948. The only solution is one state with equal rights for Jews and Arabs (Muslim, Christian, secular)
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Wonāt be happening. The zionists wonāt allow it.
The birthrate comparision of the respective populations alone would make them finicky about demographic changes etc.
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Forget about that, just show him the encroachments since Oslo accord.
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Dad would leave them to fight it out, and Mum would make them share. We need a Israeli Palestine Mum. Bet the women could sort it out quicker than the men, obvs.
Iām one of the posters who took issue with the beheading of babies nonsense , and I did so for the sole reason that it is almost certainly untrue.
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Ive also seen reports from Kfar Aza about a family of four tied together shot and burned, 2 parents and the kids.
How do you get to certainly untrue?
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Iāve already gone over it , but again ; The beheading story was reported by one Israeli journalist who was briefed by someone from the IDF Spokesperson Unit. No mainstream news organisation has been able to stand this story up and no Israeli Govt. official has confirmed it.
But is that the aspirations of the Palestinians? I have always thought all they had wanted is a state of their own and be free from the Israeli control. You mean like a single state under Israeli rule? I mean ideally that can happen, a country that embraces multicultural, racial and religious differences but it does get complicated in a region like the Middle East, wouldnāt it?
Thanks and sorry then. Yes its a man called David Ben Zion whom I supposed the witness, not the most forgiving signature here.
I am never sure because this trope was inserted into the mainstream consciousness by the KGB in the late nineties, all sorts of fake news was put out, and its corrupted the vox populi and becoming very loud. So I donāt know I just wondered what you had seen to undermine it. I always have difficulty believing someone would harm the consciousness of the world with lies about atrocities that are not real.
Perversely, one of the oldest versions of this I can recall was about Holocaust denial and that the numbers were inflated to justify an Israeli State. Problem is that justification came more than twenty years earlier in Balfour. There was no need to inflate the deaths of Jews in WW2. So sometimes you can see through the lies easily.
Someone is obv going to reply its so the Israelis can decimate Gaza, but I dont think this is so obvious. Firstly Israel always uses excessive force, secondly, I err to these stories being true because of the introduction of atrocity into war normalised by the Russian. Hamas cant be outdone in terror. I therefore fear its a node in the line of a significant degradation into barbery.
I have been thinking along these lines for a while, tbh.
The situation is so fucked, so utterly and totally fucked, that it feels like the world needs to step in, fuck Israeli sovereignty, and separate them like squabbling children.
It is surely a pipe-dream, but so is anything else the stakeholders have come up with.
Gotta be better than a slaughter with no end in sight.
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