The Middle East Thread

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I’m wondering if the US are negotiating another “attack Israel but don’t hit anything of importance” type response?

I don’t see anything happening before Thursday when both sides have to decide whether to accept the mediators ultimatum for the ceasefire proposal. If that goes tits up then just about anything is possible.

That has been going on for a while, I think. This attack, if and when it comes, will be so late that all relevant assets to defend will be in the area and online. Thats not by chance, I think.

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https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1823419251019194490?t=ybh9UBltej7Jcd702qnZtw&s=19

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Another day, another IDF war crime. #7,929,393

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Don’t let them silence the facts, Mr. Gillham!

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“personal views”.

Words cannot sufficiently express my disgust.

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“The MSO does not condone the use of our stage as a platform for expressing personal views”, it added.

What is a piano recital if not the pianist’s personal interpretation of the music? :thinking:

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Don’t you bring your facts into this.

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I’m wondering what the scheduled pieces were because Beethoven was not unknown to write political pieces. Sonata 26 was about the French attack on Vienna and would seem quite pertinent at the moment.

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I think it’s worth remarking on the fact that the official death toll in Gaza has surpassed 40,000 today. US Intelligence estimates that only 14,000 of those were Hamas fighters which , obviously , means that 26,000 innocent civilians , mostly women and children , account for the remainder of the dead.

The UN’s human rights chief, Volker Türk says : “This unimaginable situation is overwhelmingly due to recurring failures by the Israeli Defense Forces to comply with the rules of war."

If a ceasefire were to be announced tomorrow , the hostages released , and the fighting was to stop , I still don’t see how that country ever erases the stain of what it has done.

Those responsible for this carnage will live in infamy forever. We can only hope that one day they might be brought to account for their crimes.

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Striking the Bekaa Valley, Hezbollah’s stronghold, is unusual.
https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1825596396604694856

A relative of one of the deceased said that there were 18 opportunities (probably referring to ceasefire initiatives) in last 10 months to save the hostages. :clap:

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The New Republic is reporting that in their recent meeting Trump asked Netanyahu to ensure that any ceasefire arrangement takes place after the November election. Probably did not need to ask, because there doesn’t seem to be much danger of peace breaking out, but still appalling.

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Does he think he’s Reagan?

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It is sort of a conversation around which one was worse - having your fellow countrymen spend another 3 months in captivity, or having a population of hundreds of thousands of people you don’t like anyway continue to suffer through a war? The first has that additional element of betrayal, but for me the sheer scale of suffering makes this worse than Reagan’s delay of the release.

Since October the 7th, Israel has rescued 7 hostages out of 251 and killed more than 40,000 Palestinians.

Says it all about Netanyahu’s priorities.

To be fair, that’s also why there’s so much urgency lately by Biden to broker a peace deal. Not that he’s in any way as despicable as the Orange Turd but still.

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It’s been obvious since May when Biden first told us we were on the cusp of a deal and nothing happened that this thing would be allowed to rumble on by the Israelis until the other side of the election. The US could have used its leverage then to get Netanyahu to agree to a ceasefire ( that was actually an Israeli proposal that Hamas had already agreed to ) but for domestic political considerations had refused to do so. That in effect gave him all the encouragement he needed to go on twiddling his thumbs until the election has been decided , and Biden’s dropping out doesn’t alter that calculation.

I’m not sure what to make of the suggestions of Trump and him colluding tbh. Although entirely believable , it’s one thing to report it but it’s an entirely different matter proving it.

I’m wondering how much of Netanyahu’s actions are rather more oriented towards making sure he stays in power to avoid the corruption charges.

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