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the situation now means that US sends ammunition to Israel, it has less for Ukraine. Good for Russia.
(Last year the US emptied all of its ammunition in Israel and sent Ukraine)
What do you think a fitting ārevengeā would be for 1400 casualties?
How many would satisfy you?
Genuinely interested to hear your perspective.
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It was not the entire population of Gaza who commited atrocities in Israel. Does that really need to be pointed out? Punishing the civilian population for the crimes of some terrorist thugs is neither morally right nor tactically astute.
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2 million of them are like nazis? The entire population of the territory? A population with a median age of 18 years?
Seriously, rejecting and criticizing this perspective is not anti semitic
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I have a lot of time for Naomi Klein. Among else, her book āThe Shock Doctrineā still provides useful keys on how to see things at a geopolitical level.
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Hamas can return all of the civilian prisoners - over 100 if it want to prevent anything. But they are going to use them during fighting
I think people have to take into account that the attacks are still fresh in the peopleās minds.
For instance, my initial feeling when Mumbai was attacked by Pakistan backed terrorists was for an immediate armed response. In these periods , people think emotionally. Time heals wounds and allows wisdom to prevail.
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Probably, we know that as soon as the attack started the simple gazan civilian joined. many civilian kidnapped were taken by Gazans on donkeys (like middle ages)
This people are not to be blamed for the brainwashing, its Hamas fault - but here we stand.
That is a predictible if not defensible reaction, but it is precisely why the things being said in defense of the Palestinian people in Gaza NEED to be said and why it is not remotely anti semitic.
See Tamir doubling down on the idea that entire population, a population with a median age of 18, were culpable for this.
And also see
https://x.com/henrymance/status/1712811314299490353?s=20
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and mate i have not blamed anyone here being anti semite. its a complicated conflict and I know Israel is not perfect on its side. If some people donāt think like me - itās totally ok.
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And you are fully entitled to your opinions. They provide an interesting counterpoint to most opinions on here, which are mostly dazzled posters coming from the outside, asking themselves how it could come to such an extreme situation.
Still, Iād like to know the answer to a previous question which was asked to you: what do you think would be an appropriate reaction from Israel towards Gaza? How strongly should they be punished, how many Palestinian deaths should there be for the 1.2 k dead Israelis? One for one? Five for one? Ten for one?
Also, Iād like to know if you have an idea what Netanyahouās endgame is here? By all accounts, it seems that Tsahal will invade the North of Gaza, creating absolute havoc among civilians, but also being embroiled in a terrible guerilla war. There will be a lot of casualties on both sides again. Do you think it will be worth it? What do you think will be the backlash in the longer term?
I for one have difficulty to stomach the situation, because I feel that everything is so utterly senseless, and could have been avoided with more humane politics on both sides, during the two last decades.
You might not like to read this, but in my humble opinion, Netanyahou, as the politician in charge of the stronger of both sides, has a lot to answer for the current situation.
Of course, I stress once again, in case you havenāt read the whole thread, that the above isnāt condoning Hamasā horrible deeds in any way, shape or form.
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Itās not about the stronger of both sides. He does have a lot to answer for the situation in general.
But the scale of the attack is frankly unprecedented.
Hamas drastically misread the atmosphere and the level of support for them internationally when they did this attack.
You wonāt see the same level of support for Palestine come the UN gatherings now.
endgame - Hamas needs to be erased.
No clue how they will do it.
If not for the civilians hostages - IDF can bomb āGaza Undergroundā, where Hamas operates. The hostages complicates it.
Ideally - The civilian population will listen to the warnings and move south, IDF enters and cleans the area.
If the IDF didnāt care about civilian casualties - the death toll would be much higher. The number of attacks is already higher than all of the Afghanistan war (in 6 days! unimaginable) yet there are ~1500 gazan deads vs a much much higher number of deads in Afghanistan. this 1500 includes Hamas militants, so āuninvolvedā number is less.
I assure you nobody wantes this war here, leadership just increased number of work permits for Gaza workersā¦
as for Bibi - I believe he grew and fed this monster called Hamas. should have handled it when it was small, and work better with Fatah in the west bank.
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Hamas should not be allowed to get away with their attacks by using the citizens of Gaza as human shields. Doing so would only embolden them more.
Is there any way right now where they can be persuaded to lay down arms peacefully ? I doubt.
And doing it with force is probably going to be just about as successful as American attempts to eliminate the Taliban.
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Thatās too less a time for people to vacate.
Yup. Thatās the catch 22 situation. I doubt you can remove the radical element once itās taken root.
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Lot of my ex colleagues who are Israeli feel the same thing. I do hope this is the writing on the wall for him.
That does go both ways though. What you are seeing across the Arab and great Islamic world right now is a depressing reinforcement of the double standards that always seem to be applied to them. When you come to realize that international law wont be enforced to protect citizens from vengeful foreign powers then the direction that sends people down is not good.
The fact this is kind of an entirely predictable direction is precisely why so much of the global south shrugged at the suggestion to give even rhetorical support to Ukraine. You cannot tell people subjected to violations of international law over and over again that it is now important for them to stand up for international law for someone else.
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Except that the other major Arab countries donāt want to deal with the Palestinians anymore.
Saudi on the verge of the trade deal. Dubai who has normalised relations. Even Qatar has been restrained in their support of Hamas.
Egypt and Jordan wonāt take in their refugees as well.