The Middle East Thread

  1. Yes, clearly very different from both regimes.

  2. Generally the only thing they can do, protest loudly and through political channels. Why do you think countries recognice Palestine ? It is those channels. Hamas is not involved obviously. I don’t understand why you mention the paramilitiary forces of the PA in this context, as logic dictates that any intervention from them would dramatically increase Palestinian suffering on the West Bank and there would of course not be any sort of political movement in regards to recognition of Palestine if they joined Hamas war. That would be an epic disaster.

  3. They are currently the absolutely only options. PA or Hamas, there are not any other bodies around. Abbas is a corrupt venal man, but of course he is less problematic for Palestinians than Hamas. Hamas only real political accomplishments are the Wall (set up by ISR after their suicide bomber campaign) and the current disaster as well as moving Palestinians in a more social conservative direction. These are their main accomplishments. PA ? Have accomplished very, very little in practical terms, but still far more than Hamas, who have only ushered destruction.

4). Of course not. But you cannot compare Belarus and Ukraine to the patch work which is the Palestinian territories without any sovreignty or even tradition of self rule. Though an Abbas-like regime in donbas would have been a mighty improvement from occupational administration in so calledd LPR and DNR.

Abbas is a corrupt crook, so are most all of them. It doesn’t matter, it is what they have. I don’t really understand what you want them to…do ? Join the war ? For what purpose ? It is only through the PA that states work with Palestinians politically. If you remove the Palestinian Authority, there would be only Hamas so what do you suggest really that can be practical ? Should Abbas have stepped down decades ago ? Of course in my pov, but it is what it is. But Abbas is just a person.

I mean, both organisation, both the PLO and Hamas are shitty organisations, but politically, only the PLO has legitimacy on the international stage, which is the only stage that matters when the Palestinians don’t have a state but want one.

There are no simple solutions and options. Only rotten ones and less pestilent ones. The Palestinians have awful leaders, but the only ones that can be able to achieve anything at all, are the pragmatic ones in the PLO. Hamas only achieves ruin, baiting the most Right Wing Ultra Nationalist fascistoid regime in Israel’s history into invading them with quite predictable results. And by this point, I thought we all agreed that was unwise and literally the most irresponsible act they could have done.

So PA or Hamas. 2 options. There are not 3. If there are, I want to be illuminated, because I have never heard of this option, Ifthikar.

And @Iftikhar , I say this respectfully. I don’t understand what other option you are talking about that is practical. Marwan Barghouti with a magical new movement that is not PLO ? How ?

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https://x.com/MinisteroDifesa/status/1970828390190948407
Spain also sends a ship, but not sure which one and i am not particularly intersted since I forsee no clashes.

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https://x.com/Palestine_UN/status/1970918058387767681

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Triggered. I see so much of this nonsense. If jew says anything even slightly critical of how Israel conducts war, it is blood libel and treason and what not. At the same time, the same people always shout extremely loudly that jew does not = israel or support for Israel and that diaspora jews have nothing to do with ISR, when it suits them.
https://x.com/Powerhouse33488/status/1970922981556953337

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What the fuck are those quotation marks doing anywhere near the word massacre here?

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1970821388304031899

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Ironically, Sky News are among the better ones of the larger Anglo Media outlets, regarding this issue, in my view.
But I don’t read them every day, so maybe I am mistaken.

https://x.com/yossi_melman/status/1971250254642057691

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https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1971564367562027380

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How nice
https://x.com/AmitSegal/status/1971477164940984704
Also very kind of them: AP: In ‘unprecedented operation,’ Israeli army takes over mobile phones of Gaza residents to carry Netanyahu UN speech live

It’s also prop time again. He loves those

(Again, Clash report is crap and unreliable, but this is a video from today, so source doesn’t matter).
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1971563787733152197

The Palestinians are well and truly fucked. I would prefer an Israeli occupation. Why does evil live so long?

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This is interesting. Germany has been very harsh about Palestinian rallies.

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Much too harsh as well…

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Given the country’s history, it isn’t too surprising, but very much displaced.

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This is a “good” peace for civilians, but not one Hamas will accept, so I don’t see this happening sadly.
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1972726021196562494
I think Israel will agree to this easily enough, despite having dreams of ethnic cleansing; since the Israeli security cabinet probably correctly identifies that Hamas will not agree to it.
https://x.com/aarondmiller2/status/1972739828002463949

https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1972745675785032149
https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1972754943674319060

Yeah..
https://x.com/michaelh992/status/1972735593856831658

I don’t know about you guys, but since i am still visiting my mother, i watched the speech alongside her and she was not very impressed when he ranted that “this is the most monumental day in the history of civiliazation” and so on.

Obviously.
https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1972743122644820375
And the lunatics in Hamas will give him this gift, which then will rebuild israeli legitimacy for continuing operations and so on.
https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1972735324414705924
Yeah, well, sadly not going to happen.

https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1972739432735523151
You are not wrong. They will reject this and israel will then be in a much stronger position politically at a time where they were starting to feel crushing pressure.